c41250n

iTrader: (5)

so what makes you think your car is such a better car then mine?
winning or losing in a race are mostly depends on the driver, I'm here try to prove that running negative 3 camber on a track is totally reasonable, my friends is running negative 4 in the frontin his sti, and he is running time attack!

LionZoo

Then I hope you understand that the RX-8 suspension is set up to gain quite a bit of camber throughout its travel while a STi has barely any chamber gain. This means that the STi needs a lot more static camber than a RX-8 to compensate for the relative positive camber that the car takes on during roll (relative to the ground).

Finally, I can run track days and I can run time attacks also, but it doesn't mean my car is optimized for either event.

c41250n

iTrader: (5)

you're right, maybe i just agree with what i see!

c41250n

iTrader: (5)

oh....i forgot to mention, my car is already pretty low, and my suspensions are ok stiff, so there is really not much room for it to go, so i guess i pre-setup for the negative camber is alrite.

LionZoo

Incorrect. If your suspension is stiff then there's not going to be much roll which means that even though the lack of travel means you won't gain camber, you don't actually need to since your car isn't rolling. The entire point of camber gain in suspension is to keep the tires level on the ground when it rolls; if there isn't much roll or one reason or other, then in that travel span you won't need much camber gain.

c41250n

iTrader: (5)

you know that no matter how stiff your suspension is, the car is still gonna have body roll right? that is what sway bars are for!
my suspensions are stiff doesnt mean when i turn, the inside of the car won't lift.
do you need more pictures to prove it?

LionZoo

I'm well aware cars roll no matter how stiff the suspension is. However, the camber gain is proportional to your roll; if you roll less your car gains less camber so therefore it all works out, especially on a suspension such as the RX-8's with such a linear camber curve.

Do you tune your car with pictures? Because last time I checked, most people who tune cars don't do it with pictures. Pictures are horrible because you don't know what part of the corner it's in (turn-in, midcorner, and exit all have different amounts of roll and different fore and aft weight transfer properties), it's hard to tell angles, and it's hard to figure out the camber of the road. For example, your first picture has your car up on the curbing, making it more off camber than the rest of the turn.

c41250n

iTrader: (5)

i tune my car with the feeling that the car gives me everytime when i go on a track, i posted pictures just to show you my point.
i think both the pictures i posted are exiting. and what im saying is, my car is already that low, has not much suspension travel, thatz why i set -3 camber because itz not gonna gain much camber as i go into turns.
is that making any sense to you?
i doing -3 camber on my car, on my setup. not on your car or on a stock car.

if you have time, please buy a hyper rev megazine for rx-8 and see how people in japan fix up their rx8s.

LionZoo

"However, the camber gain is proportional to your roll; if you roll less your car gains less camber so therefore it all works out, especially on a suspension such as the RX-8's with such a linear camber curve."

Tell me what's your read from my statement.

As much as I respect Japanese companies and tuners, they're not the end-all be-all. This is especially true for "tuners" as they generally make allowances for things such as style. Though TeamRX8 and I have our disagreements, I have to say that I respect his opinion quite a bit more in terms of car setup as his focus is simple; pure performance, screw everything else. Tuner culture on the other hand almost has a hierarchy and half the focus is on impressing others. Not that I'm one to judge, after all if a certain focus for your car makes you happy go ahead; that's a lot more important than shaving tenths off laptimes. But from a pure performance point of view, it doesn't add up.

c41250n

iTrader: (5)

I will remember what you have said, in a good way! maybe till this point, I'm not experienced enough to understand your point right now!
I mean I understand what you're saying but still can't chang what I believe in now!

scsi

so...... did you ever get those 18x10 +35? if so id like to see. at this point i dont plan to but there is a set of wheels that id love to have, unfortunately +35 is the highest offset in a 10 wide

CosmosMpower

ROFL, WTF that says it all

Not sure with 18's but I stuffed a 275/40/17 V710 on a 17X9.5 Enkei NT03 (+43, IIRC) and it fit fine with -1.5F/-2.0R camber lowered about an inch.

RoTaRyRx-8

What wheels do you have ??

dshiznit1489

Those look like 5zigen FN01r-C's, I could be wrong though.

Ross_Dawg

iTrader: (2)

That they are... 8.5" up front, 9.5" in the rear

TeamRX8

iTrader: (25)

had, I think he sold them a while back

type59

they are 18 by 9.5 +25 or +28 all around.

Fate710

iTrader: (1)

I have 18x10 +43s with 255s right now with -3 camber up front and -3.5 in the rear.

I'm getting ready to push the wheels out even further and they'll sit at +33. I may even try and push them to +28.

tiltmode43

iTrader: (15)

You guys do realize this thread is from '07, right? I linked it in the "will it fit" thread and it happened to pop up, lol

RoTaRyRx-8

^^ lol its not that old