front brake pad rattle
06-30-2008, 02:02 PM
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front brake pad rattle
Hello,
I tried to do a search for this, but couldn't find anything definitive.
When I go over bumps / road imperfections, my front brakes rattle.
If I apply the brakes even lightly, the rattle is gone.
Looking at the pads themselves, I noticed that there is quite a bit of play in their position, a.k.a. they can move around about 3 mm left to right.
I'm trying to figure out if this is a cause for my recent rotor warpage woes (I'm only at 16k miles and have warped two rotors). My concern is that if the pad can rattle around like that, I picture the edge of the pad getting jammed up against the rotor then being forced to settle and shimmy into position under brake load.
Has anyone else experienced this? Is there a fix? Maybe different retaining clips?
Thanks,
Filip
I tried to do a search for this, but couldn't find anything definitive.
When I go over bumps / road imperfections, my front brakes rattle.
If I apply the brakes even lightly, the rattle is gone.
Looking at the pads themselves, I noticed that there is quite a bit of play in their position, a.k.a. they can move around about 3 mm left to right.
I'm trying to figure out if this is a cause for my recent rotor warpage woes (I'm only at 16k miles and have warped two rotors). My concern is that if the pad can rattle around like that, I picture the edge of the pad getting jammed up against the rotor then being forced to settle and shimmy into position under brake load.
Has anyone else experienced this? Is there a fix? Maybe different retaining clips?
Thanks,
Filip
06-30-2008, 02:05 PM
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Check and see if you have a metal clip on the caliper connecting the bad on the top and another on the bottom. Each caliper should have two clips. These are anti-rattle clips. I had one fall off and every now and then I hear the rattle slightly. Hopefully this helps you.
06-30-2008, 03:01 PM
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I've a friend who got this symptom when he changed to an aftermarket pad. The pad company says they slightly undersize their pads to keep them from binding and the movement is normal. Have you upgraded your pads? ... or perhaps it occurs with the stock pad, but I've never noticed really.
06-30-2008, 03:04 PM
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I did upgrade my pads...first to Endless CC-X, which chewed up my rotors (too aggresive for street)...then to Axxis Ultimate, which are less aggresive.
You are right that I first noticed it when upgrading pads, but I called Endless about it and they asked me to put the stock pads and Endless pads back to back and compare and when I did that there was absolutely no difference.
Is there some special way those retaining clips need to be secured...are they supposed to be tight against the caliper or tight against the pad?
You are right that I first noticed it when upgrading pads, but I called Endless about it and they asked me to put the stock pads and Endless pads back to back and compare and when I did that there was absolutely no difference.
Is there some special way those retaining clips need to be secured...are they supposed to be tight against the caliper or tight against the pad?
06-30-2008, 03:05 PM
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Tight against the caliber, and the pad will then (ideally) be a snug fit into the clip when you slide them in.
IOW the clips themselves are sort of a snap into the caliper 1st. then you move the pads into place and they slightly expand the spring part of the clip.
IOW the clips themselves are sort of a snap into the caliper 1st. then you move the pads into place and they slightly expand the spring part of the clip.
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06-30-2008, 03:41 PM
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Emailed Tripoint Engineering about this and they seem to think it's okay for there to be play in the pad itself...they think it's an issue of uneven pad transfer...that helps a lot 
07-01-2008, 12:19 AM
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sounds like BS to me, the pads should be a snug fit in the clips, mine always have been, even the custom machined pads 
you can buy new clips from Mazda, they come in a kit with the heat and anti-squeal shim plates, part# F1Y1-33-29ZA, does both sides
you can buy new clips from Mazda, they come in a kit with the heat and anti-squeal shim plates, part# F1Y1-33-29ZA, does both sides
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07-01-2008, 06:42 AM
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Yea perhaps your old clips are compressed somehow and new ones would solve the issue, esp. if the new pads are the same dimensions as the old as you say.
Strange as I've reused the old w/no problems before. I think the clips come in the hardware kit w/shims and is like $17 per axle.
Strange as I've reused the old w/no problems before. I think the clips come in the hardware kit w/shims and is like $17 per axle.
07-01-2008, 10:50 PM
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Buy the Porterfield carbon Kevlar pads and get rotors from them, pay extra for Cryogenic treating.
No more warp rotors.
They are in Costa Mesa
07-02-2008, 11:19 AM
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Yea perhaps your old clips are compressed somehow and new ones would solve the issue, esp. if the new pads are the same dimensions as the old as you say.
Strange as I've reused the old w/no problems before. I think the clips come in the hardware kit w/shims and is like $17 per axle.
Strange as I've reused the old w/no problems before. I think the clips come in the hardware kit w/shims and is like $17 per axle.
07-02-2008, 11:22 AM
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I have StopTech rotors with Axxis Ultimate pads...although I'm sure your recommendation rocks, I'd like to figure out why they're warping before I spend another $400 on a different brand of front rotors and pads just to have it happen again.
07-02-2008, 11:30 AM
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check your dust guards
...i had rattling and it turned out that the dust guard got bumped and it would tap or rattle against the caliper/rotor going over bumps.
...i had rattling and it turned out that the dust guard got bumped and it would tap or rattle against the caliper/rotor going over bumps.
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07-02-2008, 12:24 PM
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Round and round we go...haha
07-04-2008, 02:47 PM
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Something might not be right with your install...I can't really think of any way what you describe can be so out of the ordinary. Can you get a macro closeup of your rotor/caliper/clip areas so we can see what/how you've installed everything there? It may be something really simple.... if you're lucky...and as many of us have done this many times and we could see if all looks correct.
07-04-2008, 04:38 PM
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If you were worried about binding you can simply leave the clips out, otherwise having them in and then machining the pad completely defeats the purpose for them being in there
no disrespect to Porterfield as they get plenty of my business (though I don't use their specific pads or rotors)
but beware the BS dripping from this thread, there wasn't anything different from the OE pad so the clearance thing is crap, claiming you need new pads and rotors is crap too
no disrespect to Porterfield as they get plenty of my business (though I don't use their specific pads or rotors)
but beware the BS dripping from this thread, there wasn't anything different from the OE pad so the clearance thing is crap, claiming you need new pads and rotors is crap too
07-06-2008, 01:29 PM
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Something might not be right with your install...I can't really think of any way what you describe can be so out of the ordinary. Can you get a macro closeup of your rotor/caliper/clip areas so we can see what/how you've installed everything there? It may be something really simple.... if you're lucky...and as many of us have done this many times and we could see if all looks correct.
07-06-2008, 01:39 PM
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If you were worried about binding you can simply leave the clips out, otherwise having them in and then machining the pad completely defeats the purpose for them being in there
no disrespect to Porterfield as they get plenty of my business (though I don't use their specific pads or rotors)
but beware the BS dripping from this thread, there wasn't anything different from the OE pad so the clearance thing is crap, claiming you need new pads and rotors is crap too
no disrespect to Porterfield as they get plenty of my business (though I don't use their specific pads or rotors)
but beware the BS dripping from this thread, there wasn't anything different from the OE pad so the clearance thing is crap, claiming you need new pads and rotors is crap too
07-06-2008, 04:19 PM
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Excuse my so not clean & rusty brakes vs your new lol but here you go to compare. I don't see anything out of the ordinary with yours...perhaps there is no problem and you're just worring about something that doesn't matter and is normal dunknow?
As far as warped rotors are you sure (from direct measurement) the are out of spec or is there only a pulsing pedal and therefore perhaps pad deposit?
As far as warped rotors are you sure (from direct measurement) the are out of spec or is there only a pulsing pedal and therefore perhaps pad deposit?