bumblebeerx8

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ok i have ap sway bars with evo-r endlinks. the rear sway has two holes and the front has 3 holes. on the rear using the front hole what kind of feel will it be apposed to the rear hole. and with the front what kind of difference will you see using the hole to the rear of the car appose to the ones to the front. any help is appericated
thanks
josh

Rotr8

iTrader: (2)

Endlinks are generaly used to help position the sway bar,,, some sway bars have built in adjustments(ie the holes) ultimately you would want to position your sway bar in the most horizontal position allowing it to stabalize the lateral forces as best it can.
these are images form Autoexes site.
The first pic is a sway on a stock ride hieght-horizontal position of the ends of the sway
Second pic is typically what happens when you lower the car the sway starts to take added load from its mis-allingment
The third pic is with Autoexes sway endlinks showing the correct positioning of te sway being restored on a lowered ride.

bumblebeerx8

iTrader: (7)

ok that makes sense

dannobre

iTrader: (3)

You adjust the endlink length for that

...the holes in the bar alter the stiffness of the bar......the closer to the end of the bar...the stiffer they are ( longer lever)

bumblebeerx8

iTrader: (7)

so to correct understear up front you would move one closer to bar

dannobre

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That's a huge oversimplification I'm afraid......

It depends......

If everything else is equal it would tend to...but there are so many other variables that are effected.....

Generally softer front/stiffer rear increases tendancy to oversteer......

But where tends to be the problem....

swoope

iTrader: (5)

am i reading that right?

beers

dannobre

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Ooops...did I have a Cialis moment

replace stiffer with softer

swoope

iTrader: (5)

so just to be clear for the ones with holes. the holes away from the bar are softer.

if i thought i could have gotten away with.

bar away soft i would have..

beers

dannobre

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What stopped you...new years resolution

swoope

iTrader: (5)

i am nice and dulled down now..

and i respect you!

beers

bumblebeerx8

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ok i have rear sway on front hole towards front of car and front on ole closest to rear of car its like when i turn it takes a second to respond i had ap on rear and stock up front with no problem and then when i added ap up front this happened

swoope

iTrader: (5)

all the suspention info would be of help..

with eibachs/dspecs/progress sways/evor endlinks.

right now i am running full soft on both ends. next track weekend i am going to go to the mid setting in the front..

but right now it is very nice on track..

beers

dannobre

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Is it tail happy like it is? Or just at a certain point in the turn?

swoope

iTrader: (5)

talent limited. the car is actually very well balanced.

i let trackaddict beat the crap out of it for one session.. his comment was it handles very well..

and he has lots of talent..

beers

bumblebeerx8

iTrader: (7)

also on tokico d spect with swift springs, agency power sways the blue ones, and evo r endlinks front and rear. yes a little tail happy and hesitates in beginning second of turn holds ok through out but i havent done anything but a drive around the block too cold with tires to try anything much more than a tight 35 mph curve at 55 and once was enough

dannobre

iTrader: (3)

So why change the front bar??

bumblebeerx8

iTrader: (7)

like i said i had rear on at stiff setting with stock up front and it handled great when i added ap up front with stiff setting this is what i got. and you guys are clarifying a lot thanks a little more and ill be there just need to find a track near the house this spring

bumblebeerx8

iTrader: (7)

was that commented towards me if so because i thought it could get better with adjustment just needed some info on where to start and what exactly changed what

dannobre

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I'm having difficulty understanding how vastly increasing front bar stiffness will result in more oversteer.....It should make it push more if anything??

Did you lower the car as well? Sounds like an alignment would be a good idea

dannobre

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Other one to Swoope...last one to you

bumblebeerx8

iTrader: (7)

yes lowered 1.2 all around with rear ap sway and endlinks no problem until front bar and endlinks i may go do that as long as the snow stays clear and i get car back together or i may just wait till it warms up and mess with it then which could be another factor

swoope

iTrader: (5)

i thought the swifts only lowered by .8". i hear they are great springs..

first.. get to a track.. you can play with stuff..

and some stuff that works for me..

front tire pressure at 34psi
rear 30

front shocks 2 turns out from full firm.
rears 4 furns out from full firm..

and dan, just to try it. until i get more talent. it is all just fun!

beers

bumblebeerx8

iTrader: (7)

yes your right only .8 the ride is very nice except bumps gotta soften the springs a little. i got a road that runs along a river near my house with lots of tight turns and hills. ever since i bought the 8 every nice weekend i take a few hour drive and handling & responce. everyone that rides with me comments on the handling even the 2 that have had the pleasure of driving it. i know its gonna take some playing around now that you guys got me going in the right direction.

HERO

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Sorry for the quick thread-jacking but I figured someone here could answer instead of making a whole new thread.

For the sway bar bracket bushings, once they are installed (in the bracket holding up the sway bar), is the sway bar suppose to be rotatable (while endlinks are not connected)? Or is the bar suppose to be completely stationed?