Spyderjhv1997

2004 mazda rx8 84K 6spd

The car was not starting...(not flooded)...the oem starter would not engage... it tested bad.... so i got a new starter from advance.... after i put it in it the starter would not hit the flywheel and engage... so i got a new battery with 850 cold cranking amps... nothing changed... took the starter back and got another one.... still will not hit the flywheel... so i take it to advance and a local starter shop to test the starter and both said it checked good...i took the car to a local mechanic to have him put it in and still the same he told me the starter is missing the flywheel by an 1/8 inch..so i went and got another starter from advance.... still the same... the starter from advance had the part number n3h1-18-400 (right starter for the car) and they told me it was the updated starter and was putting out the right amps....... the car still has the factory flywheel... any suggestions.... HELP PLEASE..... all the teeth on the flywheel is good by the way.... has anyone had the same problem????


Thanks

JOHN

nycgps

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you either install it wrong. or you got the 09+ starter. (I think its the same tho. hmm need to check)

Jon316G

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I'm curious how they could tell it was missing the flywheel by 1/8"

First thing you would normally check is the gap for the drive pinion while its extended out, but with a new (and multiple) starters having the same "issue" I really doubt this is something you need to do.
How exactly are they testing the starter?
Just applying voltage to the solenoid to watch the drive pinion extend out?

Like nycgps mentioned... might be the wrong starter.

Spyderjhv1997

Thats just what they told me... they said something about the teeth on the flywheel had marks where the starter was barely hitting...

Jon316G

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The upgraded starter p/n is N3Z1-18-400
N3H1-18-400 was the original.

Spyderjhv1997

the drive on all three starters was going out all the way to the end...

as for advance and the starter shop checking to c if the starters was good... they checked it on a machine that reads amp put out and just watched the drive come out...

Spyderjhv1997

o... then advance lied to me...

Jon316G

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But they never measured the pinion gap to tell if it was traveling to where it should be.
Either way, three starters having the same symptom tells me it isn't an issue with the starters.

Jon316G

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Lets verify the basics.... is it wired correctly?

Spyderjhv1997

yes... when i unbolt it and hold it in my hand it zips out 100 mph..... i just put it back in and it catches the flywheel barely... i can hear it tap it.... but it never engages... I wish more rx8 owners lived near me... London, KY by the way..

Jon316G

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Does it sound like the teeth are constantly grinding when you attempt to start it?

Spyderjhv1997

they do not grind at all... it just zips... but the plunger comes out...

Jon316G

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Just to clarify...
When you have the starter out and you turn the key to 'start', the solenoid pushes the drive pinion forward and the gear spins continuously until you turn the key off of the 'start' position?
Meaning, you can hold that key on 'start' for a good 5-10sec and the drive will continue to spin with the pinion extended?

Spyderjhv1997

yep

Jon316G

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And when the drive pinion retracts back (key not in the start position) the gear is in the same position as in the attached pic below?

nycgps

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Its the same one.

hmm, Jon has a point ... check it out.

xun4gvn4everx

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I am very interested to see what the issue is here. I have never heard of this problem unless someone were to buy the wrong starter.

Spyderjhv1997

sorry im back.... i fooled around with it... no luck.. still wont catch...it goes back in everytime...... Do i just need to buy the new upgraded OEM from the factory...

xun4gvn4everx

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does nething seem loose around the starter which could have put it out of position?

Spyderjhv1997

theres nothing loose....I twisted the flywheel around with a bar and it of course didnt slip and ever tooth was good....

xun4gvn4everx

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Thought you said the teeth had some wear from the starter not quite biting? If that us indeed the case, you have atleast the wrong model starter or something is not in line right to cause the starters teeth to not engage with the flywheel teeth

Spyderjhv1997

the teeth are fine.. but you can c where the starter hits the very edge of the teeth....

Easy_E1

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Sounds like the starter mount housing is too short. Do you have your old starter handy to check to see if the housing is the same length?

Spyderjhv1997

turned it in for the core

Easy_E1

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Here's a couple of pics for measurements. Don't mind where the gauge is sitting on the left. It's just the camera angle. See if your starter housing is close to these numbers. They are in Millimeters.
If your starter housing is under those dimensions then the autoparts store has an issue with their supplier of starters.

75.63 mm


38.63 mm