"Honeycomb structure's been removed from your cat?"
04-18-2012, 10:03 AM
#1
"Honeycomb structure's been removed from your cat?"
Does that mean my cat's been gutted?
I have a P0420 last week. Then experienced loss of power in the middle-top end. I thought it was a clogged cat at first and didn't drive the car since then till I brought it into the dealership, thinking I'm gonna have my cat replaced yay!
But then they told me the honeycomb's been tampered with, wtf? and my warranty's declined.
The thing is though if it was gutted all along, why would a P0420 appear now? And why would I have the symptoms of a clogged cat?
I'm getting an RB DR midpipe and see that'll fix the power issue. Can you guys think of anything else that would make an rx8 experience my problems? (Ignition stuff just replaced last week.)
I mean... does it sound like I have a bigger problem here? Engine was replaced last year.
I have a P0420 last week. Then experienced loss of power in the middle-top end. I thought it was a clogged cat at first and didn't drive the car since then till I brought it into the dealership, thinking I'm gonna have my cat replaced yay!
But then they told me the honeycomb's been tampered with, wtf? and my warranty's declined.
The thing is though if it was gutted all along, why would a P0420 appear now? And why would I have the symptoms of a clogged cat?
I'm getting an RB DR midpipe and see that'll fix the power issue. Can you guys think of anything else that would make an rx8 experience my problems? (Ignition stuff just replaced last week.)
I mean... does it sound like I have a bigger problem here? Engine was replaced last year.
Last edited by dezau; 04-18-2012 at 11:39 AM.
04-18-2012, 02:57 PM
#5
lol wtb, of course the pipe's fubar, like i said the honeycomb structure is gone...
The funny **** is the dealer told me the cat's been tampered with and they can't replace it under warranty, what should I do?
I mean I know I didn't gut the cat...
I already ordered a Agency Power midpipe to hold off till mid-may for the Racing Beat to be back in stock.
The funny **** is the dealer told me the cat's been tampered with and they can't replace it under warranty, what should I do?
I mean I know I didn't gut the cat...
I already ordered a Agency Power midpipe to hold off till mid-may for the Racing Beat to be back in stock.
04-18-2012, 03:28 PM
#6
Tell that dealership they don't know **** might as well closed it.
Ur cat went into ur muffler. Take it off and shake it back out just to make them look like a moron.
Even if u can't shake it out, they are still morons because a complete burn out cat can and had happen, ask me how I know. I got mine replaced under warranty, my cat was empty, yep. Has nothing left.
And I wanna know how do they proof that ur cat has been tampered with?
Ur cat went into ur muffler. Take it off and shake it back out just to make them look like a moron.
Even if u can't shake it out, they are still morons because a complete burn out cat can and had happen, ask me how I know. I got mine replaced under warranty, my cat was empty, yep. Has nothing left.
And I wanna know how do they proof that ur cat has been tampered with?
Last edited by nycgps; 04-18-2012 at 03:31 PM.
04-18-2012, 03:38 PM
#8
I mean I don't know man, I don't know what to tell them.
They just told me, yea we took it apart and looked at it, it's empty, the honeycomb's not there, we aren't able to do anything for you cuz someone gutted out the cat. And I took it home cuz they aren't gonna be able to install a catless pipe. So I told them I'll install a midpipe and see if that fixes anything.
How did you get urs replaced nyc when it was empty. (I suspect I am in ur situation that u had before.) The cat is empty, and looks like its been gutted (at least to the tech/rep).
The service rep kept telling me his tech is a vet blah blah blah, he knows his ****, there's no way the honeycomb elements could be blown into the muffler yada yada yada.
I've told them it has happened before to the other guys, on (rx8club). He's still not convinced.
What should I say or tell them to have them to continue working on my car?
I have a aftermarket catback btw and I no longer have the OEM pipe.
They just told me, yea we took it apart and looked at it, it's empty, the honeycomb's not there, we aren't able to do anything for you cuz someone gutted out the cat. And I took it home cuz they aren't gonna be able to install a catless pipe. So I told them I'll install a midpipe and see if that fixes anything.
How did you get urs replaced nyc when it was empty. (I suspect I am in ur situation that u had before.) The cat is empty, and looks like its been gutted (at least to the tech/rep).
The service rep kept telling me his tech is a vet blah blah blah, he knows his ****, there's no way the honeycomb elements could be blown into the muffler yada yada yada.
I've told them it has happened before to the other guys, on (rx8club). He's still not convinced.
What should I say or tell them to have them to continue working on my car?
I have a aftermarket catback btw and I no longer have the OEM pipe.
Last edited by dezau; 04-18-2012 at 03:42 PM.
04-18-2012, 03:59 PM
#9
It is a common failure for the CAT to disintegrate and fall to pieces....it will likely be mostly in your muffler canister.
If they can't figure that out maybe take it someplace else
If you didn't gut it..and it should still be covered...I would make a stink with Mazda NA
If they can't figure that out maybe take it someplace else
If you didn't gut it..and it should still be covered...I would make a stink with Mazda NA
04-18-2012, 04:01 PM
#10
I bought the car used since 3/09, I mean... I know I didn't gut it. Unless my previous owner did, but then again, how on earth is it possible that it takes 3 years to find out? Even so I would've had the P0420 code longgggggg time ago if it was gutted right?
04-18-2012, 04:58 PM
#11
So pretty much their tech's put the possibility of the cat being burnt out completely out of the question. He just thinks I "tampered" the cat and therefore declined my warranty.
I called Mazda USA and they told me there's pretty much nothing they can do regarding this issue.
Can some of you who's had burnt out cat replaced help me with this? (al and nyc)?
I called Mazda USA and they told me there's pretty much nothing they can do regarding this issue.
Can some of you who's had burnt out cat replaced help me with this? (al and nyc)?
04-18-2012, 05:47 PM
#14
Rockie Mountain Newbie
Ahem...
Cough...
Tell them to try again, or better yet, go to a different dealer.
Your dealer sucks.
I know there's more than one dealer in Florida.
BC.
Cough...
Your dealer sucks.
I know there's more than one dealer in Florida.
BC.
04-18-2012, 06:38 PM
#16
deral emission law to have it covered
I didnt say one word, the tech did show me the pipe and was like wtf happened to the car? I was like I don't know. Then he just replaced it
Just because he is a vet does not mean he knows his ****. I'm willing to bet I can replace a cat and muffler faster than him even if I'm on jackstand and he can use his shop lift.
Anything after the cat will not effect the cat itself. Not like u weld a piece of metal plate to completely shut the cat anyway. This is more like some lazy *** dealershitwo just hope that u will pay for full msrp of the cat instead of file it under warranty (they can only claim labor hours on it. Which is like only 1 hour for cat replacement)
Tell them that its federal emission law to have it fix, if they don't want to do it. Call mnao and tell them they are not doing it. And you will let the media and local state attorneys general to complaint
I mean I don't know man, I don't know what to tell them.
They just told me, yea we took it apart and looked at it, it's empty, the honeycomb's not there, we aren't able to do anything for you cuz someone gutted out the cat. And I took it home cuz they aren't gonna be able to install a catless pipe. So I told them I'll install a midpipe and see if that fixes anything.
How did you get urs replaced nyc when it was empty. (I suspect I am in ur situation that u had before.) The cat is empty, and looks like its been gutted (at least to the tech/rep).
The service rep kept telling me his tech is a vet blah blah blah, he knows his ****, there's no way the honeycomb elements could be blown into the muffler yada yada yada.
I've told them it has happened before to the other guys, on (rx8club). He's still not convinced.
What should I say or tell them to have them to continue working on my car?
I have a aftermarket catback btw and I no longer have the OEM pipe.
They just told me, yea we took it apart and looked at it, it's empty, the honeycomb's not there, we aren't able to do anything for you cuz someone gutted out the cat. And I took it home cuz they aren't gonna be able to install a catless pipe. So I told them I'll install a midpipe and see if that fixes anything.
How did you get urs replaced nyc when it was empty. (I suspect I am in ur situation that u had before.) The cat is empty, and looks like its been gutted (at least to the tech/rep).
The service rep kept telling me his tech is a vet blah blah blah, he knows his ****, there's no way the honeycomb elements could be blown into the muffler yada yada yada.
I've told them it has happened before to the other guys, on (rx8club). He's still not convinced.
What should I say or tell them to have them to continue working on my car?
I have a aftermarket catback btw and I no longer have the OEM pipe.
Just because he is a vet does not mean he knows his ****. I'm willing to bet I can replace a cat and muffler faster than him even if I'm on jackstand and he can use his shop lift.
Anything after the cat will not effect the cat itself. Not like u weld a piece of metal plate to completely shut the cat anyway. This is more like some lazy *** dealershitwo just hope that u will pay for full msrp of the cat instead of file it under warranty (they can only claim labor hours on it. Which is like only 1 hour for cat replacement)
Tell them that its federal emission law to have it fix, if they don't want to do it. Call mnao and tell them they are not doing it. And you will let the media and local state attorneys general to complaint
04-18-2012, 11:58 PM
#17
Anything after the cat will not effect the cat itself. Not like u weld a piece of metal plate to completely shut the cat anyway. This is more like some lazy *** dealershitwo just hope that u will pay for full msrp of the cat instead of file it under warranty (they can only claim labor hours on it. Which is like only 1 hour for cat replacement)
Tell them that its federal emission law to have it fix, if they don't want to do it. Call mnao and tell them they are not doing it. And you will let the media and local state attorneys general to complaint
Tell them that its federal emission law to have it fix, if they don't want to do it. Call mnao and tell them they are not doing it. And you will let the media and local state attorneys general to complaint
Too many stupid hondas gutting their cats in Florida I guess (cuz we don't have annual check).
He just assumed I'm one of them.
I mean it doesn't even make sense, a midpipes only like wt... 200 bucks.
04-19-2012, 05:25 AM
#18
Well no, they are pretty much accusing me of tempering with the cat itself.
Too many stupid hondas gutting their cats in Florida I guess (cuz we don't have annual check).
He just assumed I'm one of them.
I mean it doesn't even make sense, a midpipes only like wt... 200 bucks.
Too many stupid hondas gutting their cats in Florida I guess (cuz we don't have annual check).
He just assumed I'm one of them.
I mean it doesn't even make sense, a midpipes only like wt... 200 bucks.
Have u ever called mnao?
04-19-2012, 09:00 AM
#19
Rockie Mountain Newbie
GO TO A DIFFERENT DEALER
Its either that, or you get a friend to make a video of you removing the muffler, and shaking the contents out onto the ground, then post it on the internet, and send a link to both your dealer, and Mazda North America.
If you really wanted to get your point across, do it in the entrance to the service department, and ask your shop's service manager and "veteran" rotary guy to explain that.
You need to do something yourself at this point.
Either go to a new dealer, or inspect the muffler yourself.
This dealer isn't going to do anything until you force them to (video proof).
BC.
Its either that, or you get a friend to make a video of you removing the muffler, and shaking the contents out onto the ground, then post it on the internet, and send a link to both your dealer, and Mazda North America.
If you really wanted to get your point across, do it in the entrance to the service department, and ask your shop's service manager and "veteran" rotary guy to explain that.
You need to do something yourself at this point.
Either go to a new dealer, or inspect the muffler yourself.
This dealer isn't going to do anything until you force them to (video proof).
BC.
04-19-2012, 10:05 AM
#20
GO TO A DIFFERENT DEALER
Its either that, or you get a friend to make a video of you removing the muffler, and shaking the contents out onto the ground, then post it on the internet, and send a link to both your dealer, and Mazda North America.
If you really wanted to get your point across, do it in the entrance to the service department, and ask your shop's service manager and "veteran" rotary guy to explain that.
You need to do something yourself at this point.
Either go to a new dealer, or inspect the muffler yourself.
This dealer isn't going to do anything until you force them to (video proof).
BC.
Its either that, or you get a friend to make a video of you removing the muffler, and shaking the contents out onto the ground, then post it on the internet, and send a link to both your dealer, and Mazda North America.
If you really wanted to get your point across, do it in the entrance to the service department, and ask your shop's service manager and "veteran" rotary guy to explain that.
You need to do something yourself at this point.
Either go to a new dealer, or inspect the muffler yourself.
This dealer isn't going to do anything until you force them to (video proof).
BC.
