yoshistoned

Left it at services today. Not logged into system, my boy does all the work on his own I just deal with him. More on this in a bit.

Basically he told me I need a new engine. We looked at an identical 05 rx8, manual at 34K miles just 2 bays down… supposedly, same problem.

He said in his experience the renesis engine is basically good for 60k miles and after that requires complete replacement. He compared this to timing belts, as in where most cars every 60K-ish needs their belts replaced, the RX8 literally needs the entire engine replaced at about the same age! He is basing this on witnessing an average of one RX8 a week in his shop getting a new engine ever since this thing has been selling!

This is news for me! I was certainly not aware of this when buying into this mess. We looked around the engine and there was oil everywhere…even on the air filter. Why are we consumers getting a PIECE OF **** for $30K+? I don’t understand why RX8 owners are not coming forward with their frustration!

Because most them are under warranty when they find out and get it replaced pronto. I am not one those lucky ones. Infact not only do I have to eat the engine repair/replacement costs which is going to run about $8Kish, I still get to hang on to a $6K+ negative equity! All this for a car which has “no *****”.

What option do I have at this time? Mileage rollback certainly comes to mind. According to records the car was last serviced a bit before 60….so this could get done. I have been made aware of the implications so I am saving this route as one of the lasts...

I could also wreck it and claim it on insurance. This also doesn’t come without the aforementioned “implications”. Again…saving this as one of the lasts…

Pick up the tab myself. A new engine will cost $5,400 with uh… luck. A grand or 2ish for my boy to do this pain in the *** gig. Maybe another grand in additional parts? Project cost $8kish…

I don’t have $8k fellaz. I am heart broken and I don’t know what the **** to do.

yoshistoned

*** just i told investigators everything they could dream for. doh!

o yea & the CEL code had something to do with oil pressure being out of whack. wayyy out of whack. very much looking forward to zoom's response if one is forthcoming. dude am i screwed or what

yoshistoned

compression also crazy lows. looks like early birthday present from mazda... 10 days before my 25th B-day Atleast in time with the insurance discount kicking in soon

shaunv74

If he said you need a new engine get a second opinion. Why are you talking to your "boy" and not a dealer service writer? There is a recall on this. Does he know that? Has the recall been performed?? Has your "boy" taken care of this for you up to this point?

Oil all over the engine sounds like something very different than what we're seeing when engines need replacing.

No the engines aren't throw away. There are problems with the '04s and many have had their engines replaced and supposedly there is a fix in the new motors.

8K is way too much to pay for an engine replacement. Your "boy" seems to be taking your for a ride IMO. check out mazmart on this site. They rebuild engines and sell used ones starting at 2K.

yoshistoned

Thanks for your input shaun. The recall work done so far has been spruk plug replacement and PCM flash. Should I really talk to a dealer service writer instead? Really?

To be honest I am not entirely sure I can trust my boy. Who can you trust these days...anyways? I should mention though that he took over work on the car at 62K miles… so right after warranty expired. I should also mention that my boy just did an oil change just last Saturday… soooo there is a chance he is pulling a fast one and is looking to get hooked up. But for the time being I am going to give him benefit of the doubt. But getting a second opinion sounds like a good idea. I really appreciate your thoughts on this man.

zoom44

dude he screwed you in the oil change and possibly killed your engine AND hes trying to screw you for an engine. talk to a legit person NOW.

did you check the tranny fluid or the oil level yourself or not?

get the actual cel code numbers for us. if he did a compression check get the ACTUAL compression numbers.

send me your vin in a pm

yoshistoned

dam dam dam & I left my baby with the dude? dam! legit would be a dealer service writer? in which case I could re visit the service writter i use to work with while i was still under warranty. I will call him today and get the CEL code and the compression numbers. Thanks zoom!

Mazurfer

+1..........smells mighty fishy

Mazurfer

Let's see if he hems and haws a little at giving you any cel code and also the compression numbers. Oil all over the engine bay sounds like maybe the oil filter wasn't on right or an oil line busted somewhere. Maybe he even left the fill cap off???? Did you ever check your oil yourself or even look under the hood at any time during this fiasco?

yoshistoned

i cant say i looked under the hood carefully enough, i did use however used dip stick to measure oil level it was real low. He showed me the air filter he was very quick to close it off though. I cant tell for sure if the fill cap was on or off... i feel like a chump right now!! wow.

i called him last night asking for the CEL code but he was at home. He was really iffy and unsure about the CEL code but stated he thought it had something to do with extremely low oil pressure. He also asked for me to call at the shop today so he can get the code. I cant wait to find out he this dude is full of **** or what! unreal how you cant trust ANYONE these days man... freaking unreal!

Mazurfer

Well......you don't know that yet, but it just doesn't sound right. That's all we can say from here and not knowing the exact details. I just find it interesting that these issues started what....a few days or so after he did the last oil change for you? Now you have very low oil pressure, and very little oil in the car AND there is supposedly oil all over the engine. Am I following all this right? I need to go re-read this whole thread again because I was reading another and might be confusing the two.
I mean right now.....little confusing because you got the oil changed, few days later you left a parking lot and check engine(not oil light) came on, car went into limp mode, and you continued to drive for awhile(that's okay, if not for long), then we find out that the car has little or no oil in it, but all over the engine(not sure what all over means), for some reason he shows you the air filter(what did it look like), and now says it has bad compression and you need a new engine. Did I put all that right?

It still could be the coils and/or cat, but until you get the all the other info out of this dude, it's gonna be rough.

VolcomStoneX

dude the whole situation sucks, hope everything works out

shaunv74

First step should be getting oil into the engine and getting a new oil filter put on at the dealer. I would have it towed to the dealer just to be safe.

Then see where you stand. If it's just low on oil and he didn't get the oil filter put on properly you could be okay. Get that straightened out first. Then clean all the oil off the engine and see if more comes back.

The oil filter is hard to reach and if he didn't put it on properly it could have leaked and sprayed oil all over the engine compartment as you describe. The oil pressure going in to the oil filter is about 60-70 psi so an improperly seated oil filter could easily cause that.

Here is a DIY on changing your oil that will help:
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=12455.html

Here is a picture of the oil filter location. It is looking at the back of the engine from the drivers side fender. You'll probably need a flashlight to see back there.

Jedi54

iTrader: (7)

oh man, this doesn't look good at all.
Get your car back A S A P ! ! ! Take it to an authorized dealership and have them give you a 2nd opinion.

CHECK your oil before you go in there.

reddevilwarrior

+1 yea, Admin zoom

yoshistoned

Just got off the phone with the dude. The CEL code is "P1688".

He said he also performed a compression test. Results as follows:

Cylinder 1: all zeros
Cylinder 2: 6.8 | 6.2 | 6.7

He is saying the oil leakage is being caused by a blown seal somewhere which is forcing oil into the intake.

He also said the car majically is not limiting its revs to 2k anymore. In other words its driving as if nothing is wrong besides being slower than normal. He said this just happened and nothing he has done have lead to this as all he has done are tests to this point.

Gave him a heads up on my intention to get a second opinion. He did not object.

All this means nothing to me as we already know I am a chump. Someone please break this down for the n00b and help me make sense of all this. Thanks to everyone who has come forward sharing their thoughts during a time which I certainly consider "a time of need" for me. This has been my baby. I am very much appreaciative for this community.

zoom44

your MOP is broken

P1688 Metering oil pump control circuit initial check problem ON 1
Other ´ (See DTC P1688 )

all zeros? not likely

Senna

This scary stuff. Make sure the dealer puts their best rotary man on it. Not everyone at the dealer knows what they're doing with these cars.

I think if these motors were needing widespread replacement at 60k miles I think it would be far more evident in the data/media.

yoshistoned

Thanks zoom. Is this something that can be fixed/replaced without replacing the entire engine? I asked this same question to my dude and he said we could replace the MOP which would stop the oil leakage, but I would still need a new engine because of the low compression.

But you think my compression if probably fine? I am thinking about visiting another Mazda service center tommrow but I am afraid to damage the car further. I am so confused...

shaunv74

Get a second opinion. No one has a complete zero on rotor 1 unless every seal in their rotor is gone.

This means:
all 3 apex seals are gone
all 6 side seals are gone

they are checking the compression at ~2 rpm.

All of which are highly unlikely.

Also this type of error code is very unusual and should be investigated by the dealer.

RX-8Newb

i assume those readings are in bar right?

yoshistoned

Rare oil code...busted OIL pump... 3 days after an OIL change... co incidence? maybe.

Heres the problem with a dealer service writer: I am also considering an extended warranty purchase as one option, $2K, but they will not cover pre existing stuff. This is purely the only reason why I am still working with my friend. I need to talk to him about these apex and side seals cuz I am asking him to show me all these blown seals (all i gotta do is count to 9...sounds easy shaunman), and hopefully he abandons his quest to rip me off, if that is really what he is trying to do. & hopefully, since he is employed with Mazda services, he could be the dude doing the check up to approve the warranty extension.

So can any shop can do a compression test on an engine this test must be done at a mazda shop?

kersh4w

iTrader: (3)

you are in fairfax, do you go to rosenthal?

i've had good experiences there.

yoshistoned

Its the closest service shop to me and I have never been there. I could take a trip to Rosenthal tomorrow, but I am terrified of not being able to buy into the extended warranty stuff if I opt for this route cuz they gonna label me real fast. Basically there is massive confusion right now because I don't want to make any mistakes. Precious time might slipping way though. But yeah basically I have no clue whats gonna happen. Definitely gotta talk to him about the chances of all 9 seals being busted tomorrow though. I imagine this would lead to 100% oil leakage on at least that rotor which would leave the engine a black oily gooppy mess... and it definitely did not appear as such yesterday.

yoshistoned

This is the 1st thing I am gonna look for when I drive of his lot. Thank you for sharing the knowledge with the n00b man... not to mention the knowledge of the unlikelihood of all seals being busted. Thank you.