dead engine, help
03-14-2005, 09:13 AM
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dead engine, help
hi, new here. I usually do a search, but doesnt seem like anybody's done this. so here goes.
I just had my remote starter installed on my 6MT. thing is, i left it in 2nd gear in the garage. I knew that. But my friend didnt know. he came over and thought it was cool to remote start the engine. I heard a "boom" from the garage and found the car against the front wall of my garage.
The motor sounded like it was struggling to go, but couldnt cuz of the wall. i immediently went to put it in neutral, and turning it off. I pushed the car back, and tried to manually start it again and it just choked.
I tried several times with the pedal depressed all the way in 10 sec. intervals and smoke started to come out from the hood and the whole place smelled like burnt coolant. checked, and no dripping. The engine just sounded weaker everytime i tried, and eventually, it just wouldnt budge anymore.
keep in mind that its not a cold start, I've already come back from my trip, so its a pretty warm engine. AND, I only have 400 miles on it. only took it off the lot a week ago.
My question is, is this considered a flood?? or could it be that the new alarm just has something loose. Theres no cosmetic damage cuz it was going against a shoe case full of shoes. So i wonder if i can just tell mazda it flooded and have the motor replaced?? any input would help. thx
I just had my remote starter installed on my 6MT. thing is, i left it in 2nd gear in the garage. I knew that. But my friend didnt know. he came over and thought it was cool to remote start the engine. I heard a "boom" from the garage and found the car against the front wall of my garage.
The motor sounded like it was struggling to go, but couldnt cuz of the wall. i immediently went to put it in neutral, and turning it off. I pushed the car back, and tried to manually start it again and it just choked.
I tried several times with the pedal depressed all the way in 10 sec. intervals and smoke started to come out from the hood and the whole place smelled like burnt coolant. checked, and no dripping. The engine just sounded weaker everytime i tried, and eventually, it just wouldnt budge anymore.
keep in mind that its not a cold start, I've already come back from my trip, so its a pretty warm engine. AND, I only have 400 miles on it. only took it off the lot a week ago.
My question is, is this considered a flood?? or could it be that the new alarm just has something loose. Theres no cosmetic damage cuz it was going against a shoe case full of shoes. So i wonder if i can just tell mazda it flooded and have the motor replaced?? any input would help. thx
03-14-2005, 10:57 AM
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I erased and reined back my bitch-fest and summarized as follows: Sounds like you flooded it. I'm not informed on the legality issues surrounding manual remote starts in some states, but it's conceivable Mazda could elect (or try) to charge you for the flood for improperly using your vehicle. If the manual starter turns out to be illegal then I'm sure they will move to deny any kind of warranty claims if damage occurred to the engine. Be more careful in the future, only the shoes were worse for wear...
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03-14-2005, 09:43 PM
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i got a crime stopper. forgot the model#, but its suppose to be crime stopper's best. $500.00 installed. the only thing i dont like about it is that it reacts kinda slow.
Anyway, i live in California. I'm not really sure about the legality of the remote starters on manual either. But i dont have to tell mazda about the whole thing rite?? i could just say it just happened. i mean, theres no cosmetic damage. how would they tell?? Couldn't i just say i stalled really hard and it just happened??
I've read that a lot of people actually have had this problem, but they're flooded by oil. And mazda will in most cases replace their motor. I just wanna make sure they will, and not have to pay up the *** for a car i just got.
Anyway, i live in California. I'm not really sure about the legality of the remote starters on manual either. But i dont have to tell mazda about the whole thing rite?? i could just say it just happened. i mean, theres no cosmetic damage. how would they tell?? Couldn't i just say i stalled really hard and it just happened??
I've read that a lot of people actually have had this problem, but they're flooded by oil. And mazda will in most cases replace their motor. I just wanna make sure they will, and not have to pay up the *** for a car i just got.
03-14-2005, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by efonwang
But i dont have to tell mazda about the whole thing rite?? i could just say it just happened. i mean, theres no cosmetic damage. how would they tell?? Couldn't i just say i stalled really hard and it just happened??
I've read that a lot of people actually have had this problem, but they're flooded by oil. And mazda will in most cases replace their motor. I just wanna make sure they will, and not have to pay up the *** for a car i just got.
I've read that a lot of people actually have had this problem, but they're flooded by oil. And mazda will in most cases replace their motor. I just wanna make sure they will, and not have to pay up the *** for a car i just got.
YOU installed a remote-start on a manual transmission (really stupid).
YOU created the situation that ran your car into a wall.
YOU need to take responsibility for your own bad judgement, and "pay up the ***" if that's necessary.
By the way, if you ram your remote-started manual-transmission car into me or my car in a parking lot some day, by the time my lawyers are done I'll own you for the rest of your natural life.
Now, who are these people who got 'flooded with oil' and got their engines replaced by Mazda? That's BS. You'll get new plugs (which you should pay for) at the most. Procedure is outlined here: http://www.finishlineperformance.com...4-05-1448b.pdf
03-14-2005, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JM1FE
Riiight.... go lie to Mazda so they have to foot the bill for a problem YOU created, and then pass that cost on to the rest of us.
YOU installed a remote-start on a manual transmission (really stupid).
YOU created the situation that ran your car into a wall.
YOU need to take responsibility for your own bad judgement, and "pay up the ***" if that's necessary.
By the way, if you ram your remote-started manual-transmission car into me or my car in a parking lot some day, by the time my lawyers are done I'll own you for the rest of your natural life.
Now, who are these people who got 'flooded with oil' and got their engines replaced by Mazda? That's BS. You'll get new plugs (which you should pay for) at the most. Procedure is outlined here: http://www.finishlineperformance.com...4-05-1448b.pdf
YOU installed a remote-start on a manual transmission (really stupid).
YOU created the situation that ran your car into a wall.
YOU need to take responsibility for your own bad judgement, and "pay up the ***" if that's necessary.
By the way, if you ram your remote-started manual-transmission car into me or my car in a parking lot some day, by the time my lawyers are done I'll own you for the rest of your natural life.
Now, who are these people who got 'flooded with oil' and got their engines replaced by Mazda? That's BS. You'll get new plugs (which you should pay for) at the most. Procedure is outlined here: http://www.finishlineperformance.com...4-05-1448b.pdf
03-14-2005, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lil fjd 915
leave him alone, i say screw mazda over and get ur stuff fixed and get it fixed right. BUT UNINSTALL your remote start hardware.
Don't we have an "Ignore" feature on this site?
Gotta find it.
I have a 1:715 chance I will see this car. I hope I win this lottery.
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03-14-2005, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by snap-on
Don't we have an "Ignore" feature on this site?
Gotta find it.
Gotta find it.
Time to add a few from this thread.
03-14-2005, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by snap-on
I have a 1:715 chance I will see this car. I hope I win this lottery.
03-15-2005, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by snap-on
I have a 1:715 chance I will see this car. I hope I win this lottery.
Don't mess with snap-on!!!
03-15-2005, 12:14 AM
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whoa, i asked for help. not criticism. and i really dont think 1 motor will do much of a difference in a company this size. There has already been so many claimed motor warranties done on the 8, i dont think mine is a significant #. if anything, they'll take it as a problem and maybe come up with something better. then that'll be good for everyone.
btw, i installed this remote starter on account of my own leisure, so i dont have to get up every morning to start the car first and wait for 10 min to go. Same as to after work. If you think its stupid, i really dont need to know. how is that gonna help me when the situation is already as is?
as to those people that flooded the engine with oil and got it replaced, its only what i read on these forums. do a search, many have already claimed the "lemon law" cuz of that problem.
btw, i installed this remote starter on account of my own leisure, so i dont have to get up every morning to start the car first and wait for 10 min to go. Same as to after work. If you think its stupid, i really dont need to know. how is that gonna help me when the situation is already as is?
as to those people that flooded the engine with oil and got it replaced, its only what i read on these forums. do a search, many have already claimed the "lemon law" cuz of that problem.
03-15-2005, 12:19 AM
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I have no idea what direction this thread is heading in, but back to the subject...
Mazda should pay for unflooding your engine. Sure, your actions may have caused it to flood, but the fact that it would not restart (even after you carried out the procedure recommended by Mazda) is something that Mazda should take responsibility for. That is a problem with the car, not with you.
A remote starter should not void warranty, but that is entirely up to the dealer. Unfortunately, different dealers have different views.
Good luck.
Mazda should pay for unflooding your engine. Sure, your actions may have caused it to flood, but the fact that it would not restart (even after you carried out the procedure recommended by Mazda) is something that Mazda should take responsibility for. That is a problem with the car, not with you.
A remote starter should not void warranty, but that is entirely up to the dealer. Unfortunately, different dealers have different views.
Good luck.
03-15-2005, 12:45 AM
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ok, thx. but are u sure its a flood? i mean, what is the proof that it IS a flood and not something that has to do with the remote?? or anything else??
the smoke thing is kinda strange, havent heard about that with the flood issue. you were saying after the 'boom' impact you came out and took the car out of gear, and it was sounding 'weak' does this mean that the car started in 2nd gear, ran into a wall and was still running in gear when you made it from the house to the car.......that alone is strange, should have just jumped forward and turned off.
from the few time im started a car (with no clutch interlock) in gear, even first, the motor doesnt really even have time to start up....it just moves from the starter.
this may sound stupid, but does the radio and stuff work (this would rule out dead battery) you may have killed the battery from all the start attempts...but i dont know how much you tried.
good luck.
03-15-2005, 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by JM1FE
Riiight.... go lie to Mazda so they have to foot the bill for a problem YOU created, and then pass that cost on to the rest of us.
YOU installed a remote-start on a manual transmission (really stupid).
YOU created the situation that ran your car into a wall.
YOU need to take responsibility for your own bad judgement, and "pay up the ***" if that's necessary.
By the way, if you ram your remote-started manual-transmission car into me or my car in a parking lot some day, by the time my lawyers are done I'll own you for the rest of your natural life.
Now, who are these people who got 'flooded with oil' and got their engines replaced by Mazda? That's BS. You'll get new plugs (which you should pay for) at the most. Procedure is outlined here: http://www.finishlineperformance.com...4-05-1448b.pdf
YOU installed a remote-start on a manual transmission (really stupid).
YOU created the situation that ran your car into a wall.
YOU need to take responsibility for your own bad judgement, and "pay up the ***" if that's necessary.
By the way, if you ram your remote-started manual-transmission car into me or my car in a parking lot some day, by the time my lawyers are done I'll own you for the rest of your natural life.
Now, who are these people who got 'flooded with oil' and got their engines replaced by Mazda? That's BS. You'll get new plugs (which you should pay for) at the most. Procedure is outlined here: http://www.finishlineperformance.com...4-05-1448b.pdf
dude, cut the guy some slack ok? wtf, **** happens, and i'm sure if the same damn thing happened to you, you'd be finding ways to cover your own ***, so don't try to pretend you're a ****** saint.
and what the **** does "pass on the cost to us" what? mazda sent you a bill or something? u got ur ****** car already, and $10 says ur next car will not be a mazda so you need to shut the **** up. and you need to drop the tough macho "i'll own you for the rest of your natural life." that's just pathetic pal, even if he did ram into your car, the most you'll get is 2 month massage therapy and $2000 check.
****** if you got nothing good to say, don't ****** say it. the guy's lookin for some help, not some jackass worthless comments.
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03-15-2005, 01:37 AM
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Look on the bright side. You could have killed someone with that remote starter. Got lucky and all there is are some squished shoes and a flooded (maybe) engine.
But instead of counting your blessings and thinking about what a bad idea the remote starter was, you're here asking us if we think Mazda will pay, or how to fool Mazda into thinking it's their fault.
Take responsibility. Stop and think about it for a while and I think you'll see that the worth of your character is far more valuable than any short-term gain for your wallet.
Check out the TSBs. Everything the dealer does to start a flooded engine can be done at home.
But instead of counting your blessings and thinking about what a bad idea the remote starter was, you're here asking us if we think Mazda will pay, or how to fool Mazda into thinking it's their fault.
Take responsibility. Stop and think about it for a while and I think you'll see that the worth of your character is far more valuable than any short-term gain for your wallet.
Check out the TSBs. Everything the dealer does to start a flooded engine can be done at home.
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Originally Posted by Andy
dude, cut the guy some slack ok? wtf, **** happens, and i'm sure if the same damn thing happened to you, you'd be finding ways to cover your own ***, so don't try to pretend you're a ****** saint.
and what the **** does "pass on the cost to us" what? mazda sent you a bill or something? u got ur ****** car already, and $10 says ur next car will not be a mazda so you need to shut the **** up. and you need to drop the tough macho "i'll own you for the rest of your natural life." that's just pathetic pal, even if he did ram into your car, the most you'll get is 2 month massage therapy and $2000 check.
****** if you got nothing good to say, don't ****** say it. the guy's lookin for some help, not some jackass worthless comments.
and what the **** does "pass on the cost to us" what? mazda sent you a bill or something? u got ur ****** car already, and $10 says ur next car will not be a mazda so you need to shut the **** up. and you need to drop the tough macho "i'll own you for the rest of your natural life." that's just pathetic pal, even if he did ram into your car, the most you'll get is 2 month massage therapy and $2000 check.
****** if you got nothing good to say, don't ****** say it. the guy's lookin for some help, not some jackass worthless comments.
-BV
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Originally Posted by brothervoodoo
Wise sage, many thanks for your contribution to these forums. If it wasn't for insightful comments such as yours, I dare say the state the forum would be right now.
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well smart ***, maybe you should consider your own constructive comment before you start writing, you are doing exactly what i was doing to the previous guy.
and drop the yoda-i'm-so-wise sarcasm, if you got something to say, say it.
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03-15-2005, 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
well smart ***, maybe you should consider your own constructive comment before you start writing, you are doing exactly what i was doing to the previous guy.
and drop the yoda-i'm-so-wise sarcasm, if you got something to say, say it.
and drop the yoda-i'm-so-wise sarcasm, if you got something to say, say it.
You make quite an impression with 2 posts.. way to go man...!
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Originally Posted by brothervoodoo
Go back to the beginning of this thread and re-read my 1st post... do you know the meaning of "da words that are comm'in out of yo mouth...?"
You make quite an impression with 2 posts.. way to go man...!
You make quite an impression with 2 posts.. way to go man...!
haha, oh man, if you are gonna use that as your comeback, dude you got a long way to go.
its funny how some guy just come here looking for help and he can get so much criticisms. i guess its just something you won't see on other forums.
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Originally Posted by Andy
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Originally Posted by Andy
if you got nothing good to say, don't ****** say it ... some jackass worthless comments.
03-15-2005, 08:34 AM
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Yeah my Mazda dealer told me that my warranty would not be voided if I got a remote starter installed UNLESS I cut into my wire harness....oooooK....didn't know that was possible. Then they tell me "Oh don't worry, we'll take care of you no matter what" - then that service manager gets replaced with another one.....Ok, is he going to take care of me now?
Funny thing though....EVERY time I take my car in for service (oil changes, parts falling off, etc. - it's always something!) I get a new scratch or something else is damaged. I thought the whole point with sticking with your dealer for service was to avoid all that. Just the other day I took it in to get my driver door speaker replaced (cause it started buzzing) - yeah they replaced it...but the stupid technician tried to cover up something he broke while doing it and left me to find the broken part. He tried to glue the piece (which still had fresh glue when I found it) then used compound to mount it back in....OK white compound on black leather....yeah...REAL noticeable...IDIOT! Anyway, I called them, let then know...they ordered the part.....one week later...wrong part was ordered!!!! Had to wait even longer. Stupid.
Besides all the fuss...I still love my car. I'll take care of her.....even if Mazda doesn't. I change my view on the company every other day...but the car.....always loving it.
Funny thing though....EVERY time I take my car in for service (oil changes, parts falling off, etc. - it's always something!) I get a new scratch or something else is damaged. I thought the whole point with sticking with your dealer for service was to avoid all that. Just the other day I took it in to get my driver door speaker replaced (cause it started buzzing) - yeah they replaced it...but the stupid technician tried to cover up something he broke while doing it and left me to find the broken part. He tried to glue the piece (which still had fresh glue when I found it) then used compound to mount it back in....OK white compound on black leather....yeah...REAL noticeable...IDIOT! Anyway, I called them, let then know...they ordered the part.....one week later...wrong part was ordered!!!! Had to wait even longer. Stupid.
Besides all the fuss...I still love my car. I'll take care of her.....even if Mazda doesn't. I change my view on the company every other day...but the car.....always loving it.