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Fernando Ruiz 06-27-2013 01:36 PM

E=Jedi54;4493343]^^^ +1000
I have one of the first BHR reinforced pedals (Ray installed it himself) and I have ZERO doubt that clutch pedal will out live me and my car.
It

I was also able to submit a repair reimbursement to Mazda for the cost of the pedal and labor. :cool:[/QUOTE]

Sweet!

Grace_Excel 06-27-2013 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by Jedi54 (Post 4493343)
I was also able to submit a repair reimbursement to Mazda for the cost of the pedal and labor. :cool:

I've had that letter with my receipt sitting in my folder for two-and-a-half years now, do you think MNAO will still accept it?

Jedi54 06-27-2013 10:03 PM

only one way to find out...

Nathan Atkins 08-20-2013 05:32 PM

mine just broke today, It's been creaking all this week, It started after showing my sister in law how to drive a manual. I'm sure it was inevitable but perhaps she wasn't pushing squarely on it.

Made it 100,400 miles

UPDATE stitch welded the piss out of the original pedal, now has 6k miles on it and still strong :-)

Karack 04-03-2014 02:23 PM

strangely mine made it beyond the stress point failure mode and the spring started to wear an oval slot in the upper area of the pedal bracket, no signs of stress cracking at the legs yet... the pedal started to feel really mushy and sloppy so i yanked it out, i already knew the plastic bushings went MIA a long time ago so i wasn't extremely surprised. it started squeaking a year ago so i greased the pivots when i noticed the bushing issue.

i took the spring out and welded the area up and drilled new pilot holes and greased the hell out of it. the stamped area that the spring pivots in is shallow and prone to this as a secondary failure mode. felt like new again afterwards.

so i guess those who have already braced their pedals will still have this to worry about.

(sorry no pictures, it was late and i needed to fix it to go home after work)

luigi741 09-11-2014 05:54 PM

Please help!
 
Alright so I just barely made it home from heavy city traffic because the bracket holding the clutch pedal snapped! Does anyone know where there is a video or walkthrough on how to change this? I need it ASAP. I've already found the part online. Help please!

logalinipoo 09-11-2014 06:24 PM

It is very simple just get under there with some wrenches. Its only a couple of bolts.

Its a common problem and will probably break again. You would be better to Buy a reinforced bracket or just find a welder to fix your bracket.

Be careful of the switches. There is 2 of them. Then lookup the adjustment procedure.

johnbobs2010 12-28-2014 09:53 AM

yeap
 

Originally Posted by Grace_Excel (Post 4489404)
It was a flimsy design, surprisingly, mine lasted 140,000 miles.

133, 000 miles- snap. Knew I shouldve ordered a replacement weeks ago when I heard the first squeak

nycgps 07-16-2015 11:11 AM

Blah, Just Wanna update this

it seems that this affects JDM version, not just that, it effects S2 as well

just had a customer with broken pedal, S2, JDM.

so this is not just a LHD thing.

and the newest JDM/RHD version is D.

jasonrxeight 07-16-2015 01:10 PM

The S2 pedal is flimsy.
Mine looks like bent out of place.

ASH8 07-16-2015 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 4705395)
Blah, Just Wanna update this

it seems that this affects JDM version, not just that, it effects S2 as well

just had a customer with broken pedal, S2, JDM.

so this is not just a LHD thing.

and the newest JDM/RHD version is D.

You had a customer?

Just interested did this customer have ANY mods to clutch, like, different flywheel or heavy duty CP/PP?

Remember very early S2's (left or right hand drive) still had the so called non updated S1 Bracket...like mine (which is still normal).

The last (so called better or updated) Clutch Brackets started from Sept 15, 2008 production.

nycgps 07-16-2015 06:41 PM

this one do have so called "upgraded" heavy ass clutch

but there is another S2, bone stock, about same mileage showing symptoms already. so it's safe to say the pedal sucks lol

ASH8 07-16-2015 09:41 PM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 4705482)
this one do have so called "upgraded" heavy ass clutch

but there is another S2, bone stock, about same mileage showing symptoms already. so it's safe to say the pedal sucks lol

??

Dunno, unless you check VIN you don't know if any early S2 has an S1 Clutch Pedal (updated or not), as there is no way of really physically checking.

Another issue which I believe may also be causal CP failures and or bending and that is the Slave Cylinder Assembly, (same for all RX-8's, and a part many good parts dealers have on shelves).
I don't know why but many owners have reported that the metal/iron inside slave bore is breaking down, and hence causing more resistance or foot force when using/applying Clutch Pedal (as the Pedal is the weakest link, over time).
Slave Cylinder metal (silver) in clutch fluid when fluid flushing.
Could also be Clutch Master Cylinder, but the RX-8 Slave is the volume seller here.

Right or wrong my theory of 'failures' are related to either, heavy duty CP/PP/FW install or either the Slave Cylinder degradation, means more force on weak Clutch Pedal bracket which is not engineered for either events.
I loved doing Mazda Warranty Claims....not. :)

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-cha...et-2015-7?IR=T

RotarioX8 09-05-2015 03:48 PM

Mine just snapped last night and the dealership will be closed until Tuesday. My car is past its warranty and I dont have the recall letter. Do you guys think that the dealership will still replace it at no charge? I imagine that they will try to charge me about 105 just to look at it.

Should I just do it myself and weld it and reinforce it? Or try to make the dealership replace the clutch and then reinforce it?

Grace_Excel 09-15-2015 01:03 AM

You can buy the clutch pedal from the dealer. The letter is here in the forum as a .pdf file. Print it and send out the letter along with the proof of purchase. Otherwise, weld it.

chetzook 10-18-2015 05:52 PM

The clutch pedal on my 2005 RX8 just gave way. Thank goodness I was in the driveway.

mlaird 11-05-2015 10:54 AM

Intermittent squeak
 
I'm having an intermittent squeak from my clutch pedal, but after reading through many posts and examining my bracket, I don't think the bracket is broken. Instead, I think one of the plastic bushings on the springs is worn through. I'd like to replace it before the spring gouges a notch into the bracket, but I haven't found any posts about how to do that or what parts to order. Anyone have any tips?

logalinipoo 11-05-2015 11:03 AM

I'd take a super good look under there. when mine broke it was not really visable. But when you laid under there and had someone push the pedal you would see the bracket peal away from the firewall.

mlaird 11-06-2015 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill (Post 4727306)
The spring-steel recoil springs often eat through the plastic bushings but the bushings are not available via Mazda as a separate item. There may be an industrial parts supplier which offers the bushings, though.

Bummer. I took another look, and the plastic bushing on one side is indeed shot. I put a drop of oil on it, and the squeak went away, so that hinge point for the springs is definitely the problem. Does anyone know what kind of material to shop for to replace that bushing? It must be pretty strong nylon or something to be able to handle the load from the springs.

logalinipoo 11-06-2015 01:30 PM

Charles that might be something good to have a machine shop make out of delrin or teflon. Wink wink

ASH8 09-01-2016 04:01 AM

Hey all, just an update on the RX-8 Clutch Pedal Bracket.

I have updated the 1st post in this thread, the 8 Year Warranty Recall/Extension PDF Dealer Repair method and parts information TSB is included.

Just remember this information is for LEFT HAND DRIVE RX-8 vehicles ONLY the main parts are not the same for RHD.

I have also consistently said (IMO) that altered Clutch Assemblies like the installation of 'a' Heavy Duty Pressure Plate and Clutch Plate, and or worn Clutch Slave Cylinder where more physical leg force is needed to change gears is higher than what these CPB's were originally engineered for, therefore those vendors here offering a local made marketed CPB Strengthener and or Attachment is a very good move, even for those who have already had the 'updated' CPB renewed for free under the Mazda extended 8 year warranty policy.

There is no recall or extended warranty for RIGHT HAND DRIVE RX-8 markets.
However the RHD CPB was updated during production on all Series 2 RX-8.

For those who want to self purchase the Right Hand Drive CPB here is the OEM 'modified' Part Number F157-41-300C with Aluminum Pedal,
or F151-41-300C Right Hand Drive without Aluminium Pedal.

Remember the CPB failure rate for RHD cars has been almost non existent.

This 8 year extended warranty recall only applies to very few early Series 2 production VINS.
But applies to/for ALL Series 1 RX-8's.

Brettus 09-01-2016 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by ASH8 (Post 4779401)

Remember the CPB failure rate for RHD cars has been almost non existent.
.

Mine fell to bits ... that was after a couple of years with a heavy duty clutch though .

jaimesix 11-03-2016 09:32 PM

Today November 3 2016 my clutch pedal failed.

This pedal has squeaked since few mos after purchase. I remember having received a letter a few years back about the pedal recall

Made the appropriate appointment and drove when the date arrived

Remember telling them at Cerritos Mazda about the squeak.

After waiting at dealer I was told car was ready.

They claimed no replacement was necessary.

Remember telling them pedal squeaked and I demanded a new pedal but they said no.

I told them ok. If it ever fails I will be back.

For the past month I felt the pedal funny. I thought perhaps I was being self concious. I drive other cars and perhaps I was imagining things.

Today it happened while driving from work. Pedal felt shorter. Then a loud clunk. I knew it. All I wanted was to be able to make it to the dealer.

I did. Using 2nd gear. It was 6 pm. At least they received my car. Tomorrow they will check it out.

My car is a 07 RX8. It has 74K.

jaimesix 11-04-2016 02:16 AM

Searching my files I found the original clutch pedal recall letter and the time and date for appointment I made with them (written down on letter in my own handwriting including dealer name and address)

Attached is the service paper given after dealer assessment. It says "customer complained of noisy pedal."

This is important for my visit tomorrow to the dealer because the rep that took my car today at 6pm told me "we have no record of you ever going or coming to Mazda for the clutch pedal inspection"

That sound to me like a cover up

My papers prove I did comply and they chose not to replace the pedal.

It also proves they are lying.

I will keep cool tomorrow. Will tell them about the visit about clutch pedal only to see if they insist on that lie. If they do then I will pull out my papers (copies will keep originals. Just in case ).

If I end up paying for it all I will turn this into the hands of an attorney

RotoScooter 11-04-2016 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by jaimesix (Post 4789940)
Searching my files I found the original clutch pedal recall letter and the time and date for appointment I made with them (written down on letter in my own handwriting including dealer name and address)

Attached is the service paper given after dealer assessment. It says "customer complained of noisy pedal."

This is important for my visit tomorrow to the dealer because the rep that took my car today at 6pm told me "we have no record of you ever going or coming to Mazda for the clutch pedal inspection"

That sound to me like a cover up

My papers prove I did comply and they chose not to replace the pedal.

It also proves they are lying.

I will keep cool tomorrow. Will tell them about the visit about clutch pedal only to see if they insist on that lie. If they do then I will pull out my papers (copies will keep originals. Just in case ).

If I end up paying for it all I will turn this into the hands of an attorney






Attached is the service paper ??? Really?

jaimesix 11-04-2016 12:43 PM

Yes. It was in my glove compartment ever since it happened.

I just talked to the guys at West Side Mazda. Where I took my car to. Close to home.

I have the letter from Mazda dated October 2010 from SSP ( Special Service Program) by Mazda explaining in detail the issue of the clutch pedal and saying they will inspect and replace free of charge the pedal.

It says "Locate the Nearest Mazda Dealer" to make an appointment.

It also says that "Have you made already repairs or replacement of the clutch pedal you should fill out form provided for reimbursement under Mazda Standards"

I wrote down on letter address, phone number and time for said appointment

As explained before I did go but Mazda did not replace it

I have the "Browning Mazda" (name of dealer) "Work Order" form It has all that information that should appear on a form, with date, customer number service adviser's name as well mas document number on top. A printed form officially Mazda.

Under description/Instructions it says :

Customer states there is an abnormal noise coming from the clutch pedal when depressing. Check and advise

All these was in my glove compartment. Since they declined to change the pedal, I kept these docs in there in case of issues.

Well. Talked to the guys where my car is now, Mazda , but a different dealer. The guy told me he called Mazda and explained it to them but they did not want to do anything claiming expired recall.

He says each dealer is independently owned and operated. Ok I understand, so in order to have a 100% case with Mazda, I will get it done in there. Mazda will not be able to complain later on because the repair took place at a Mazda Dealer.

Will cost $450.00

My argument is simple. Had they replaced the pedal back then, they would be off the hook. But they did not. I have the prove. So they allowed me to drive away despite my concerns, and logic prevails, pedal broke as it was described in original letter.

Letter also has the provision for reimbursement in case repair was already made by that time.

I will contact dealer where inspection took place, to ask them for payment. If they refuse, then I will turn the matter onto an attorney.

BTW, I also got last year ( also have it) a recall letter for the passenger side air bag. And this year in July I got the official ok to call a dealer for free of charge repair.

I will address this issue at time of picking up my car.

This time I will demand change of parts as opposed to inspection.

jaimesix 11-13-2016 10:05 PM

Picked up my RX from dealer yesterday.

Pedal feels ok. New pedal. Still has that non smooth feel it had since day one. I do not know if it is the pedal spring or else.

Hope I did not get a new old version replacement.

But so far so good.

Off course like mentioned before this dealer told me Mazda would not pay so I paid anyways Now will contact this week the dealer that did the original post recall assessment. If they refuse to reimburse me for the expense I will contact that attorney that is going after Mazda.

Hope I do not have to take that detour Used the occasion to deal with the air bags Showed them the recall letter and they ordered the parts right away. Took care of it all at once.

Unlike the other dealer and the clutch pedal, this guys ordered the parts and replaced them No way to see the job. Bags are hidden but I got the paperwork.

Wonder why the first dealer to check my car refused to change the pedal.

Tomorrow will take pictures of the new pedal.

I think it would be in the best interest of the first dealer (the one that did not change the recalled pedal) to simply pay for the pedal work (at a Mazda dealer itself. No room for argument) or else get into trouble.

Later

jaimesix 11-25-2016 01:52 AM

Job done a few days ago.

I paid for the work as mentioned. Yesterday I called Browning Mazda, dealer which did check the clutch pedal back in 2010 in timely manner and told them about the repair, their failure to change it back when I took my RX there and my request for them to reimburse me for the repair.

The manager there tried to steer me away over to Mazda Corp. I told him Mazda claims recall is over. Mazda says BrowningMazda,dealer that did check the clutch back in 2010 has to respond.

Off course the manager insisted. I insisted as well and told him I could always call Mazda back but we already know their position.

The manager told me he would talk to his bosses and will call me next week.

I said fine. Thanks.

Let's see if they assume their responsibility. Hope they do.

My option if they do not will be to turn the case to the people I mentioned in previous posts. The attorneys suing Mazda for recall and lemon law violations.

incubuseva 12-16-2016 10:30 PM

So I just bought an 09 R3 model. I felt the clutch was off when I went on the test drive, and just thought it needed to be bled or adjusted at most. I figured I was used to the clutch on my A4 which is different than the ones in any of my RX-7's. I did a quick search after I bought the car and found this thread and some similar ones. I called the dealer and gave them my vin, he was familiar with the pedal warrantee, but mine isn't covered. For some reason.

Luckily the car had such low miles (57k) that the dealer I bought it from gave me a warrantee as well. So they've said they would look at it and if it needs replacing they will do it. Shitty part is that it's at leas an hour and 45 min drive to that dealer. So it's going to be a day long ordeal to get it replaced. Hopefully I won't have to go back and they can get a part that day.

ASH8 12-16-2016 10:43 PM


Originally Posted by jaimesix (Post 4793410)
Job done a few days ago.

I paid for the work as mentioned. Yesterday I called Browning Mazda, dealer which did check the clutch pedal back in 2010 in timely manner and told them about the repair, their failure to change it back when I took my RX there and my request for them to reimburse me for the repair.

The manager there tried to steer me away over to Mazda Corp. I told him Mazda claims recall is over. Mazda says BrowningMazda,dealer that did check the clutch back in 2010 has to respond.

Off course the manager insisted. I insisted as well and told him I could always call Mazda back but we already know their position.

The manager told me he would talk to his bosses and will call me next week.

I said fine. Thanks.

Let's see if they assume their responsibility. Hope they do.

My option if they do not will be to turn the case to the people I mentioned in previous posts. The attorneys suing Mazda for recall and lemon law violations.

Ok, normally I wont respond to this, but really after 6 years you are saying IF the Dealer replace Clutch Pedal none of this would have happened?....So you had six years of use before something 'happened'....wow.

The Pedal collapses in most cases, I would guess the dealer at the time would of assessed it, was the voluntary recall/extended warranty back in 2010... I know time flies.

Where does Lemon law come in after 6 plus years of ownership, and you are paying for attorneys over this?, or thinking of?...seriously some of you guys in US are way over the top.

It is a car, things wear out, nothing is perfect....

EDIT: OK it was an EXTENDED WARRANTY Program, not a recall in 2010.
Mazda
The warranty coverage for the clutch pedal assembly will be extended to 8 years (96 months)
from the original warranty start date, with a 100,000 mileage limitation. If you are a recipient of
this notice, your vehicle is included in this program.


This is a warranty extension for the specified part only. Inspection and replacement of nonfailed
parts will not be eligible for reimbursement to the dealer or customer. This program
extends the warranty period for actual failures due to defects in workmanship or materials in
accordance with Mazda Warranty Policy and Procedures.

ASH8 12-16-2016 10:56 PM

You see this is where 'what the owner believes is correct' and what the facts are...

A Fed Recall is mandatory and MUST be done by US Law.

And Extended Warranty is goodwill (Voluntary) by the maker (Mazda).

It appears your RX-8 is or was out of Warranty, by about a year.
The warranty was for CP breaking, not a slight noise or squeak.

Anyway...and yes the 8 year warranty offered to Mazda RX-8 owners in NA only has expired.

ASH8 12-16-2016 11:01 PM

1 Attachment(s)

Originally Posted by jaimesix (Post 4789925)
Today November 3 2016 my clutch pedal failed.

This pedal has squeaked since few mos after purchase. I remember having received a letter a few years back about the pedal recall

Made the appropriate appointment and drove when the date arrived

Remember telling them at Cerritos Mazda about the squeak.

After waiting at dealer I was told car was ready.

They claimed no replacement was necessary.

Remember telling them pedal squeaked and I demanded a new pedal but they said no.

I told them ok. If it ever fails I will be back.

For the past month I felt the pedal funny. I thought perhaps I was being self concious. I drive other cars and perhaps I was imagining things.

Today it happened while driving from work. Pedal felt shorter. Then a loud clunk. I knew it. All I wanted was to be able to make it to the dealer.

I did. Using 2nd gear. It was 6 pm. At least they received my car. Tomorrow they will check it out.

My car is a 07 RX8. It has 74K.

Again you keep saying RECALL, it was never a Recall.

You demand, demanding will get you no where my friend.
Here is the actual copy of the letter you got from Mazda USA under SSP082.
Dealers were notified on October 22nd 2010.

ASH8 12-16-2016 11:13 PM


Originally Posted by incubuseva (Post 4797028)
So I just bought an 09 R3 model. I felt the clutch was off when I went on the test drive, and just thought it needed to be bled or adjusted at most. I figured I was used to the clutch on my A4 which is different than the ones in any of my RX-7's. I did a quick search after I bought the car and found this thread and some similar ones. I called the dealer and gave them my vin, he was familiar with the pedal warrantee, but mine isn't covered. For some reason.

Luckily the car had such low miles (57k) that the dealer I bought it from gave me a warrantee as well. So they've said they would look at it and if it needs replacing they will do it. Shitty part is that it's at leas an hour and 45 min drive to that dealer. So it's going to be a day long ordeal to get it replaced. Hopefully I won't have to go back and they can get a part that day.

09 R3 or Series 2 RX-8's received the Modified Clutch Pedal after a few months of production, so without your full VIN I am guessing your car already has the Mazda modified CP Bracket, so there is no extended warranty and yours is not supposed to break...??

MY my2009 S2, was a few months short and has the old 'breakable' bracket, so far it is fine.
And being in Australia we did not get the extended warranty, neither did the rest of the Mazda world...

You guys get the cheapest Mazda's and are protected more than anyone...you lucky guys... how do you do it.. :bowdown: :)

jaimesix 12-17-2016 11:39 AM

Hi.

I just read a few of these past responses by ASHB

Let me say I have a Datsun 710 (74) and in the process of installing a 94 Turbo 13B. Had this car on me since 2006. I drove it extensively and being a 1974 model it has been driven a lot more before I owned it.

I also have a Datsun 610 with an SR20DET. motor in it. Bought it in 2002 from an old lady. The SR was a later addition Same time on the road as the 710.

My off road rig I s a modified 88 SUZUKI Samurai. Manual transmission off course (as same as the 610 & 710 Datsuns).

All the clutch , brake and throttle pedals in these cars work as good as they did first day out of the show room.

Point is, clutch pedals are not a part of the car that counts as expected to fade or break apart by attrition.

That could be said of upholstery, external rubber parts, engine condition, etc.

But a clutch pedal as well as a brake, throttle pedal or steering components/suspension are parts that are meant to last. Serious accident and bodily injury can occur in cases of failure of these material parts.

The clutch pedal is not a part meant to disintegrate after 9 years , 6 years, 2 years of use.

In the US laws protect consumers. I have family in South America and in Europe. I have a dual sport bike (KLR 650) and a Toyota Fortuner (not sold in US) over there. I go on trips up the Andes and coastal dunes amongst other fun down there.

You would be surprised at the things automakers get away with in South America. This Fortuner in Australia has 30 times as warranty support as in Argentina A friend has a Mazda CX-7 there. Warranty is 10 times less supportive over there.

Why ? Laws protecting the consumer.

jaimesix 12-17-2016 11:49 AM

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...b4a7fe6121.jpg

My Fortuner, my KLR and my RX7 in So Am. Just in case someone thinks I am just talking.

incubuseva 12-17-2016 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by ASH8 (Post 4797034)
09 R3 or Series 2 RX-8's received the Modified Clutch Pedal after a few months of production, so without your full VIN I am guessing your car already has the Mazda modified CP Bracket, so there is no extended warranty and yours is not supposed to break...??

MY my2009 S2, was a few months short and has the old 'breakable' bracket, so far it is fine.
And being in Australia we did not get the extended warranty, neither did the rest of the Mazda world...

You guys get the cheapest Mazda's and are protected more than anyone...you lucky guys... how do you do it.. :bowdown: :)

Yeah that's the thing I don't get. If its broken then it's probably the older one. But if it's not covered then it's probably the newer one? But if that's the case why is it broken??

I'm just hoping that they ordered the stronger one so it doesn't break again. I'll take a look when I get it and if it's the weaker one I'll go straight to my friends house so we can weld some extra strength to it :)


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