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ASH8 10-10-2010 08:11 PM

:)

Yes, if they (Mazda) said they would agree to the replacement of Clutch Brackets then they should.

BTW: A known US legend who re-builds does not like the Mazda recommended Oils.

Delmeister 10-11-2010 03:40 AM


Originally Posted by redline86 (Post 3743438)
After reading ya'lls post back and forth with various issues I guess I must have gotten the 8 with no problems, or mabe I just maintain my car extremly well...........

It's important to know how many miles on the car. I don't see it in your post.

DarkBrew 10-11-2010 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by wcs (Post 3743595)
@darkbrew^^^ You just stay on topic
And get your ass over to my place and help me install my reinforced clutch bracket

Yes boss! :lol:
BTW: I'm installing the Sohn adapter then switching to 0W30 or 5W30 synthetic in the pan and 2 stroke synthetic in the bottle

Hasn't the clutch pedal issue run out of steam yet?
Get a reinforcement bracket. it makes the stupid, weak ass pedal feel good....

Replacing the clutch pedal with another weak ass clutch pedal just delays the inevitable.

zoom44 10-11-2010 12:03 PM

hey guys. I got in touch with Mazda about when to expect the clutch pedal program to start.

They will launch owner notifications by the middle to the end of next week – the first letters are scheduled to go in the mail by Wednesday the 20th. Owners should follow all instructions in the letter for inspection and repair or reimbursement for expenses incurred over repairs already performed.

Hope that helps calm some people's nerves

Brettus 10-11-2010 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by zoom44 (Post 3744306)
hey guys. I got in touch with Mazda about when to expect the clutch pedal program to start.

They will launch owner notifications by the middle to the end of next week – the first letters are scheduled to go in the mail by Wednesday the 20th. Owners should follow all instructions in the letter for inspection and repair or reimbursement for expenses incurred over repairs already performed.

Hope that helps calm some people's nerves

:shocking:

nycgps 10-11-2010 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by zoom44 (Post 3744306)
hey guys. I got in touch with Mazda about when to expect the clutch pedal program to start.

They will launch owner notifications by the middle to the end of next week – the first letters are scheduled to go in the mail by Wednesday the 20th. Owners should follow all instructions in the letter for inspection and repair or reimbursement for expenses incurred over repairs already performed.

Hope that helps calm some people's nerves

thats good to know. :D

100K miles ...

pianoman-1 10-11-2010 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by ASH8 (Post 3742900)
Actually the RX-7 had MORE "issues" than the RX-8...."officially".

Again what do you want for the money you pay...

Go buy a Korean Car with the 100 (10) year warranty, and see what happens when things go wrong at year 6.

READ MY SIG...;)



Our family car is a "Korean" car. 7 years old, 107,000 miles. Not one problem. Not one.

pianoman-1 10-11-2010 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 3742833)
the Rx8's engine didn't screw up. what Mazda failed was the ECU programming.

if u really want to go in depth. Mazda actually did screw up in the FB/FC's engine and its powertrain. for example : S4 Wastegate issue remember? it caused some owners their turbo AND engine. What did Mazda do? Sorry you broke it.

At least now Mazda is willing to cover their engine up to 100K cuz they know their programming screwed up.

my visor is fine, 5 yrs.

Water in tail light, last replacement was 2 yrs ago and so far no issue.

Engine mount (WHAT MOTOR! ITS aN ENGINE DAMN IT!) again, newest mount is doing well.

Clutch pedal -- read zoom's previous post. our car is NOT alone.

not trying to defend this car, but its obvious that all car has their own problems.

Your 7 has no problem? do u own it from day one? I doubt that. the previous owner(s) might have had a lot of work, u just don't know it. new parts in, car sold to you. no issue.


I have had my RX7 for 22 years. I know it very well. Never a major or unusual issue.

pianoman-1 10-11-2010 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by DarkBrew (Post 3743282)
Sports cars in the traditional sense require more owner involvement. And the dealer techs aren't what they use to be.
Clutch pedal - reinforce it.
Auto dim mirror - the rear wing blocks the sensor. Turn the mirror over and it works better.
Bad idle - motor mounts, Access Port, good maintenance
Sunroof - new version of side rails
Tail lights - new gaskets
Engine - warm it carefully, drive it hard.

This isn't an RX-7.
If it was it would have cost another $15K.
It would have required a turbo to make 230+ HP

You can bitch about it or you can involve yourself with the car, spend a small amount of money and enjoy the experience.

And you really think it's ok or normal to have to repair all of these issues on a car that's just a few years old?

pianoman-1 10-11-2010 09:18 PM

[quote=nycgps;3742833]the Rx8's engine didn't screw up. what Mazda failed was the ECU programming.


So if nothing is wrong with the engine design, and it's just the ECU programming, then why are people on their second or even third engine which have had the re-programming? Why are so many people saying you must premix or it will fail again?

pianoman-1 10-11-2010 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by redline86 (Post 3743438)
After reading ya'lls post back and forth with various issues I guess I must have gotten the 8 with no problems, or mabe I just maintain my car extremly well. I have a 04, no tail light issues, no sun roof issues, no dim mirror issues, clutch pedal no issues and I've checked the welds and are holding just fine and I know what to look for incase it does start to fail, red line almost every day driving to work and back and have no pressure issues, apex seals are holding out great.

Then again, I clean my car all the time, maintain all the weather stripping and rubber components, change my oil every 2k to 2.5k miles with royal purple synthetic 5-30 but soon will be switching to 10-40. I use full lubrication with every fill up and when I don't have it I run and grap a small bottle of some 2 stroke for premix until I can restock with a big bottle of lucas fuil lubricant, will be trying out Pettits Protekt this week when I'm in West Palm to pick some up, I've replaced my diff and trans fluid to royal purple gear oil. I've got 40k and my car has never been in the shop for any problem and runs great with only one exception.

The ignition coils that we all know fail, already addressed the issue before it became a problem with BHRs ignition set.

Lets face it, you might end up with a car with nothing but problems, it is built and designed by people. My father used to work for GM on assembly lines and let me tell you, people work when they are tired, sick, and sometimes when their head is way off in space, you might be the unlucky one who gets that car they wheren't paying attention to detail. I work in the health field and you have no idea the things that get missed when people are overworked or tired. My wife had a KIA and from day one it had problems, the dealer couldn't even figure out what was wronge and eventually just bought the car back and refunded her money. But not everyone has problems with their KIA even though I'm not a fan.

Same principle applies to any car, make, or model. The 8 is no exception. I've had so many people ask me, "do you have these problems with your rx8?" because they heard from someone that rotaries are unreliable pieces of junk that only run good for 20k miles before the apex seals fail. If you don't know how to maintain your vehicle, or know how to be proactive with issues then your gonna have problems. Things fail and wear, sometimes more quickly then they are supposed to but you can't account for every type of situation a machine is going to be used and abused.

It will be great if Mazda gets the extended warrenty out there, they will probably be the only car company that admits to messing up that badly with some of the known issues.

Gotta rap this up, have blood I have to run some test on, car problems are frustrating, but don't assume that particular car is a piece of junk, I constantly supprise people how well my car has been trouble free and runs great.


I maintain my car just fine thanks. My friends call me obsessive about my car.
And if you look on this website on every issue I named (except the trunk latch which must be exclusively me) there are lots of people with all these issues. Maybe you don't have an '04. Maybe you'll somehow never have these issues. Or maybe a storm is about to hit. Believe me, I don't wish that on anyone. And in my list of problems, I didn't even mention the fact of Mazda selling the car with a battery and a starter that needs an upgrade. Even my mechanic at the dealership admits to this. I just have to keep saying, what was Mazda thinking?

ASH8 10-12-2010 04:34 AM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 3743616)
you're wrong. Cuz BITOG ppl said so.



See? Its opposite. it doesn't matter if our engine is different. it doesn't matter most of our parts are the same as 25 something yrs ago except that the power output is significantly higher than 25 yrs ago. it doesn't matter if the older rotary engine use xxw40/50 oil and it works perfectly fine. it doesn't matter if people like Paul @ Mazmart who probably see Rotary Engine apart than 90% of us combine in our life time its better to use 10w40 or more. nothing matters. you get more damage for using xxw40/50 oil now. You just do. cuz BITOG :)

ok, Im done, go back to clutch pedal.

I forgot...

Some more "trivia" for you Jackson.

Even the Ring Gear on OEM RX-8's Flywheel is 25 Years Old..

Exact same part N318-11-502A, originated from 1985 FC RX-7, and used on ALL FD's and ALL RX-8's including S2's..

No the RENESIS has nothing in common with the FC.;)

DarkBrew 10-12-2010 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by pianoman-1 (Post 3745158)
And you really think it's ok or normal to have to repair all of these issues on a car that's just a few years old?

Not my point but I understand where you're coming from.
Mines an 04, out of warranty, but some of my issues were taken care of by Mazda. Others I've taken of myself. I stay way clear of the dealers now.
The point I was making was about my attitude toward my car.
We have an excellent community here and a very enjoyable sports car.
Think 60's sports car culture and the RX8 will seem reliable :rolleyes:

ASH8 10-12-2010 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by pianoman-1 (Post 3745177)
I maintain my car just fine thanks. My friends call me obsessive about my car.
And if you look on this website on every issue I named (except the trunk latch which must be exclusively me) there are lots of people with all these issues. Maybe you don't have an '04. Maybe you'll somehow never have these issues. Or maybe a storm is about to hit. Believe me, I don't wish that on anyone. And in my list of problems, I didn't even mention the fact of Mazda selling the car with a battery and a starter that needs an upgrade. Even my mechanic at the dealership admits to this. I just have to keep saying, what was Mazda thinking?

Oh come on, life is not 100% PERFECT!..

The FC RX-7 does not even come close to the overall engineering sophistication of the 8, sorry but a fact.

At the price you paid for the RX-8 it is fantastic value, look what the FD cost, because it had a Turbo..that is all. The 8 has a lot more IN it than the FD.

Yeah, and Mazda are replacing turbo's in their CX-7 too..AND?..

You have a First MY production, Don't buy any first year production car, THEY ALL HAVE ISSUES..Including FC and FD...some you never hear about, when it does not concern your car.

Some owners don't even know HOW to starts a car properly, they keep turning and turning the starter to fire it up, when New Spark Plugs may be needed, etc, etc.
But hey it is Mazda's fault...my other car did not do it...Blah..Blah Blah.

As I said look at my sig, After 8 years in Europe Mazda are at No 4, they have also been 1 and 2 up to 4 years..these numbers include the RX-8.

NO CAR COMPANY can achieve 100% Customer satisfaction and reliability.

And yeah, my neighbours 15 year old Lada has not had a thing go wrong with it with over 300,000 miles. But it is not safe, won't brake, uncomfortable, noisy, ugly. Blah Blah Blah.

Peace

ASH8 10-12-2010 03:32 PM

[QUOTE=pianoman-1;3745165]

Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 3742833)
the Rx8's engine didn't screw up. what Mazda failed was the ECU programming.


So if nothing is wrong with the engine design, and it's just the ECU programming, then why are people on their second or even third engine which have had the re-programming? Why are so many people saying you must premix or it will fail again?

Not talking for Jackson, But he is correct and half way there and He knows the main reasons why and has said so before...

You can't expect every member here to repeat Everything the same.

The No1, Main issue is Apex Seal lubrication.

Series 1's, Mazda took away the Direct Injection of engine oil to the Middle of Apex Seal, after doing this since the FC.

They obviously thought and engineered the two outer Oil Nozzles would suffice and also keep corner seals cooler and lubed.

IMO the original style stepper MOP would not cope with 6 direct oil Nozzles.

The ECU was re-flashed to increase MOP volumes, but it is still not enough and creates Emission issues (officially).

So in S2's they designed an all new set up with oil fed by the engines Oil Pump to the two EMOP's , and yes they re-installed the middle Oil Injector.

So yes, pre-mixing is a Must in S1's, I said this 5 years ago and was flamed by "experts" here.

If you know Mazda's history, you get to know what works and what does not.

Yes, I am annoyed that Mazda took this direction with the S1, but, in the end the RX-8 had Ford controlling it, which lead to compromises.

I personally are still not that keen on side exhaust porting, BUT, without it you would never see any RX-8 or future RX~.

nycgps 10-12-2010 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by pianoman-1 (Post 3745157)
I have had my RX7 for 22 years. I know it very well. Never a major or unusual issue.

Thats good to know actually. but there are people who swear by their mothers that their "brand of cars here" is the worst piece of shit in the world. Its not just Rx series, every line out there has their own lemon.


Originally Posted by pianoman-1 (Post 3745158)
And you really think it's ok or normal to have to repair all of these issues on a car that's just a few years old?

Read above.

+ I don't think its normal. but it could happen, this is what bumper to bumper warranty is for.

My car has like a page of "history" and its all warranty repairs. Even the guys at Wayne was like "Whoa, thats a long list of history"

I won't say my car has no issue at all but its all being take cared of under warranty. and no problems ever since (mostly) so im happy.


Originally Posted by pianoman-1 (Post 3745165)
So if nothing is wrong with the engine design, and it's just the ECU programming, then why are people on their second or even third engine which have had the re-programming? Why are so many people saying you must premix or it will fail again?

ASH answered the question for me.

The engine with the newest flash from Mazda and Assume its build "right" from the factory would last at least 100K miles.

notice the "build right" part.


Originally Posted by pianoman-1 (Post 3745177)
I maintain my car just fine thanks. My friends call me obsessive about my car.
And if you look on this website on every issue I named (except the trunk latch which must be exclusively me) there are lots of people with all these issues. Maybe you don't have an '04. Maybe you'll somehow never have these issues. Or maybe a storm is about to hit. Believe me, I don't wish that on anyone. And in my list of problems, I didn't even mention the fact of Mazda selling the car with a battery and a starter that needs an upgrade. Even my mechanic at the dealership admits to this. I just have to keep saying, what was Mazda thinking?

Because they underestimate some of the stuff from factory. they didn't factor the climate data.

At least this is not something very life threatening. Want to try Ford and Firestone? They knew those problems long time ago (plus all other issues they have with their pos cars) but they choose not to say anything until someone hurt from it.

Original starter and battery works fine for warm climate. not so great for cold. Thats all.

ASH8 10-12-2010 04:53 PM

Spot on Jackson....

Generally in all my years Mazda are very good to excellent with their customers..here in Australia they are..

Sure, you can't help Private Dealers and or their Staff, miscommunication and the lack of staff reading TSB's and any Bulletins and their comprehension can create issues.

And you will always get "intermittent" problems that an owner perceives or feels and a dealer cant replicate while car is in for Service., probably one of the main issues of frustration for all.

DarkBrew 10-13-2010 02:14 PM

Wow... Isn't this thread about the clutch pedal? :lol:

Give the dealers time to work the business end out with Mazda. It takes time to negotiate with all the players involved in an international dealer association and get all the legal forms approved. Eventually the weak ass clutch pedal will be covered by warranty.

UrbanOcho 10-13-2010 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by zoom44 (Post 3744306)
hey guys. I got in touch with Mazda about when to expect the clutch pedal program to start.

They will launch owner notifications by the middle to the end of next week – the first letters are scheduled to go in the mail by Wednesday the 20th. Owners should follow all instructions in the letter for inspection and repair or reimbursement for expenses incurred over repairs already performed.

Hope that helps calm some people's nerves

thanks!
great news, remaining hopeful this will work out :fingersx:

dlum125 10-14-2010 02:06 AM

i think mine just snapped today. got it towed to the local dealer. flatbeds+low bumper=:tear: :cussing: :rant:

i was about ready to kill something.

Huey52 10-14-2010 08:19 AM

I'll bet they don't reimburse proactive reinforcement bracket cost. Oh well, I've enjoyed the peace of mind.

ASH8 10-14-2010 08:35 AM

Na, I heard they were going to give owners a Brand New replacement RX-8 R3..;)

DarkBrew 10-14-2010 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Huey52 (Post 3748198)
I'll bet they don't reimburse proactive reinforcement bracket cost. Oh well, I've enjoyed the peace of mind.

RR would be busy!

nycgps 10-14-2010 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by ASH8 (Post 3748215)
Na, I heard they were going to give owners a Brand New replacement RX-8 R3..;)

plus a 10,000 dollar coupon for any future purchase of any Mazda :bowdown:

UrbanOcho 10-14-2010 11:53 PM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 3748280)
plus a 10,000 dollar coupon for any future purchase of any Mazda :bowdown:

plus a blow job

nycgps 10-15-2010 12:00 AM


Originally Posted by UrbanOcho (Post 3749559)
plus a blow job

From who ? Thats a BIG question.

Taylor Swift/Jessica Alba/Equal Quality = Yes :icon_tup:

Otherwise = HELL NO :sadwavey:

Chrishoky 10-20-2010 09:18 PM

So just a quick update for all those who are curious. I was having the squeeking clutch bracket problem as well as everyone else here. Dealership said have it replaced about 2 months ago but I didnt have the funds then.

Today on my drive home the clutch bracket snapped on me but it was still driveable. Called my dealership and drove her in. After arguing for about 5 mins the guy in charge of service checked his email and found the recall for the pedal. He said apparently he just received the email today, I say that is BS, but either way they are replacing it for free. He stated though that he did not have the new clutch assembly in stock and was unsure how many days it would take to get in. Ill keep everyone posted as to what comes from it but I would check with your local dealer to see if they have the new assembly in stock, but all dealerships should be replacing these faulty parts under warranty now!

DarkBrew 10-20-2010 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by Chrishoky (Post 3756336)
So just a quick update for all those who are curious. I was having the squeeking clutch bracket problem as well as everyone else here. Dealership said have it replaced about 2 months ago but I didnt have the funds then.

Today on my drive home the clutch bracket snapped on me but it was still driveable. Called my dealership and drove her in. After arguing for about 5 mins the guy in charge of service checked his email and found the recall for the pedal. He said apparently he just received the email today, I say that is BS, but either way they are replacing it for free. He stated though that he did not have the new clutch assembly in stock and was unsure how many days it would take to get in. Ill keep everyone posted as to what comes from it but I would check with your local dealer to see if they have the new assembly in stock, but all dealerships should be replacing these faulty parts under warranty now!

Maybe you're the first! Like a new year's baby
I'd still get the reinforcement from RR for the replacement bracket because it's the same weak design as the broken one!

Kudos to nycgps for making this happen, raising this issue to the highest levels and keeping Mazda honest

nycgps 10-21-2010 12:29 AM


Originally Posted by Chrishoky (Post 3756336)
So just a quick update for all those who are curious. I was having the squeeking clutch bracket problem as well as everyone else here. Dealership said have it replaced about 2 months ago but I didnt have the funds then.

Today on my drive home the clutch bracket snapped on me but it was still driveable. Called my dealership and drove her in. After arguing for about 5 mins the guy in charge of service checked his email and found the recall for the pedal. He said apparently he just received the email today, I say that is BS, but either way they are replacing it for free. He stated though that he did not have the new clutch assembly in stock and was unsure how many days it would take to get in. Ill keep everyone posted as to what comes from it but I would check with your local dealer to see if they have the new assembly in stock, but all dealerships should be replacing these faulty parts under warranty now!

honestly, I think Mazda should warranty this for life of the car.

but 100K is better than nothing I guess ?

You're probably the first one to get this under the new warranty extension. so let us know how it goes.


Originally Posted by DarkBrew (Post 3756363)
Maybe you're the first! Like a new year's baby
I'd still get the reinforcement from RR for the replacement bracket because it's the same weak design as the broken one!

Kudos to nycgps for making this happen, raising this issue to the highest levels and keeping Mazda honest

:P

Now Mazda hates me ... more than ever ...

Jedi54 10-21-2010 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by zoom44 (Post 3744306)
hey guys. I got in touch with Mazda about when to expect the clutch pedal program to start.

They will launch owner notifications by the middle to the end of next week – the first letters are scheduled to go in the mail by Wednesday the 20th. Owners should follow all instructions in the letter for inspection and repair or reimbursement for expenses incurred over repairs already performed.

Hope that helps calm some people's nerves

Great news Zoom!


Originally Posted by Huey52 (Post 3748198)
I'll bet they don't reimburse proactive reinforcement bracket cost. Oh well, I've enjoyed the peace of mind.

what are you talking about? You didn't proactively replace your clutch pedal, I'm pretty sure yours was broken. Remember? You member... remember?
;)

Brettus 10-21-2010 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by Jedi54 (Post 3756965)
Great news Zoom!


what are you talking about? You didn't proactively replace your clutch pedal, I'm pretty sure yours was broken. Remember? You member... remember?
;)

:nono:

Chrishoky 10-21-2010 06:24 PM

Another quick update for all those with the same problem. The service guy at North Penn Mazda called me today and told me he ordered the new "revised" clutch pedal assembly and will be replacing it for me tomorrow. I pick the car up tomorrow night, and if all goes as expected it should be completely covered under warranty. Ill post up tomorrow with how it all works out. But if your having problems give your local dealership a call, the recall is now active and the new "revised" assembly can be ordered by all dealerships. :evil_laug

DarkBrew 10-21-2010 07:33 PM

Revised? really?
Please get the part number

Mazurfer 10-21-2010 07:53 PM

Just picked this out of another thread today(10/21/10).


Called Mazda Customer Service today and discussed this with them. The Mazda rep told me that the dealerships had been informed of the warranty extension yesterday on the 20th and the owner mailings were headed out today and tomorrow.

Take it for what it's worth. Hopefully we will all see something in the coming days.

nycgps 10-21-2010 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by Chrishoky (Post 3757517)
Another quick update for all those with the same problem. The service guy at North Penn Mazda called me today and told me he ordered the new "revised" clutch pedal assembly and will be replacing it for me tomorrow. I pick the car up tomorrow night, and if all goes as expected it should be completely covered under warranty. Ill post up tomorrow with how it all works out. But if your having problems give your local dealership a call, the recall is now active and the new "revised" assembly can be ordered by all dealerships. :evil_laug

correction, its not a recall, its warranty extension.

the newest part is C revision. its been out for a while.

ASH8 10-21-2010 11:27 PM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 3757636)
correction, its not a recall, its warranty extension.

the newest part is C revision. its been out for a while.

Hey Jackson!..

Do you think the revised one is just a C, OR have Mazda Japan made up a "special" stronger unit for the US??, it could be and has happened before...

We need to get the actual Part Number once a few have been done..

Would be good to start a THREAD and tell guys here THIS is the Part Number that must be used..you can bet some Dealers will just order the "normal" one and not a Heavy Duty or Warranty Modified one...IF IT EXISTS??

ken-x8 10-21-2010 11:34 PM

Wasn't Mazda's tale, in the writeup at NHTSA, that brackets failed because they didn't follow the right installation sequence? In that case, the part itself wouldn't necssarily need an upate.

Ken

Huey52 10-22-2010 08:41 AM

LOL Nah, given the Race Roots bracket it shouldn't be an issue.


Originally Posted by Jedi54 (Post 3756965)
what are you talking about? You didn't proactively replace your clutch pedal, I'm pretty sure yours was broken. Remember? You member... remember?
;)


nycgps 10-22-2010 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by ASH8 (Post 3757784)
Hey Jackson!..

Do you think the revised one is just a C, OR have Mazda Japan made up a "special" stronger unit for the US??, it could be and has happened before...

We need to get the actual Part Number once a few have been done..

Would be good to start a THREAD and tell guys here THIS is the Part Number that must be used..you can bet some Dealers will just order the "normal" one and not a Heavy Duty or Warranty Modified one...IF IT EXISTS??

I doubt it.

but I could be wrong :) lets hope that they really update the part with something better than the PoS we got right now.


Originally Posted by ken-x8 (Post 3757790)
Wasn't Mazda's tale, in the writeup at NHTSA, that brackets failed because they didn't follow the right installation sequence? In that case, the part itself wouldn't necssarily need an upate.

Ken

lol, you still believe that? 2 nuts with 15 ft lbs each can cause this? come on now.

seriously if Im Mazda I will probably do the same thing --- instead of "yea we f-ed up cuz we're cheap", make something up and say "Our parts are durable/Ok, its just that the factory worker messed it up! Trust us!"

NHTSA don't cared what the "real" reasons are, they just need a reason that doesn't sound ridiculous. that's all. (I think this is ridiculous, however)

Unlike Toyota, no one has been "hurt/kill" from this issue. what do they care, right ?

bse50 10-22-2010 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 3758015)
Unlike Toyota, no one has been "hurt/kill" from this issue. what do they care, right ?

Does my wallet count? Replacing a tranny and a clutch after 12000 miles because of a PoS pedal sucks :)

Anyway the clutch pedal issue is just a bit more serious than the stupid accelerator pedal one imho. In that case it was not just toyota's fault... think about darwinism!
If the clutch pedal breaks at the wrong moment you might not have time to physicall react at all!

DarkBrew 10-22-2010 09:58 AM

If the replacement pedal is the same as the POS pedal then the only thing to do is reinforce it. Consider it insurance against a known safety issue.
Mazda needs to make this right but it's your choice whether to trust their solution.

nycgps 10-22-2010 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by bse50 (Post 3758027)
Does my wallet count? Replacing a tranny and a clutch after 12000 miles because of a PoS pedal sucks :)

umm ... no :naughty:


Anyway the clutch pedal issue is just a bit more serious than the stupid accelerator pedal one imho. In that case it was not just toyota's fault... think about darwinism!
If the clutch pedal breaks at the wrong moment you might not have time to physicall react at all!
the accelerator pedal thing is really stupid. the death could've been avoided. Just turn the f-ing engine off with ur foot on the BRAKE.

nothing fix stupid I guess.


Originally Posted by DarkBrew (Post 3758058)
If the replacement pedal is the same as the POS pedal then the only thing to do is reinforce it. Consider it insurance against a known safety issue.
Mazda needs to make this right but it's your choice whether to trust their solution.

this is their "solution"


On September 23, 2009, the Office of Defects Investigation (ODI) opened a Preliminary Evaluation to investigate allegations of the clutch pedal bracket failures in MY 2004 - 2006 Mazda RX8 vehicles. In response to an information request letter sent by ODI, Mazda stated that the failure mechanism may be related to an improper fastener attachment sequence to the body. The improper sequence may create a distortion of the pedal bracket and create a stress amplitude during pedal usage that may go beyond the wear out limit of the bracket. Mazda stated that the percentages of vehicles experiencing the defect is low at approximately 1% of the vehicle population projected to 10 years in service based on analysis of warranty claim data that best represented the alleged defect. In terms of risk to motor vehicle safety, Mazda stated that the failure is progressive with warning manifested in noise and difficulty in shifting gears prior to complete failure of the bracket. Mazda also stated that when a bracket fracture occurs the clutch pedal may lean towards the brake pedal however gear shifting becomes impossible prior to any contact of the clutch pedal to the brake pedal. ODI is not aware of any crashes associated with a clutch pedal bracket failure in the subject vehicles. ODI's analysis of warranty claim data provided by Mazda yielded failure rates of approximately 3% projected over 10 years in service. ODI's analysis of Vehicle Owner Questionnaire (VOQ) data complaint indicates that approximately 5% of the VOQ complainants allege they were unable to get out of the roadway as a result of a clutch pedal bracket failure. None of these incidents occurred on a highway. Approximately 7% of the complainants alleged a contact condition after a clutch pedal bracket failure of the clutch pedal to the brake pedal. None of these complaints noted difficulty in getting the vehicle stopped. Mazda has informed ODI that it will conducted an Owner Notification of an extended warranty coverage program increasing the clutch pedal assembly warranty to 8 years and limited at 100K miles for model years 2004 through 2009 RX8 vehicles. A safety-related defect trend has not been identified at this time and further use of agency resources does not appear to be warranted. Accordingly, this investigation is closed. The closing of this investigation does not constitute a finding by NHTSA that a safety-related defect does not exist. The agency will continue to monitor this issue and will take further action if warranted by the circumstances.
See the solution? holy crap

no new parts, Like Steve Jobs said, You're doing it wrong !

ken-x8 10-22-2010 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by nycgps (Post 3758015)
...lol, you still believe that? 2 nuts with 15 ft lbs each can cause this? come on now...

I was just quoting the official position.

I do, however, think it's possible to screw up something that just has two nuts at 15 ft lbs each. Tighten (or overtighten) one all the way first, without paying attention to whether it's aligned, then tighten the other.

And I have seen people do exactly that. A couple of weeks ago, at Advance Auto Parts, I wound up seizing the wrenches and finishing a battery install myself when the installer was on that path.

Ken

LifeAfterRx8 10-22-2010 01:23 PM

I think my pedal is about to break.
It squeaks like crazy and feels like it's about to snap off. I have 71,800 miles so..
I called my dealership to see if they would replace it but they said they've never heard of Mazda extended a warranty to the 8y/100k mile on the clutch pedal bracket.

Is there documented proof I can show them that they have to replace it?

DarkBrew 10-22-2010 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by LifeAfterRx8 (Post 3758343)
I think my pedal is about to break.
It squeaks like crazy and feels like it's about to snap off. I have 71,800 miles so..
I called my dealership to see if they would replace it but they said they've never heard of Mazda extended a warranty to the 8y/100k mile on the clutch pedal bracket.

Is there documented proof I can show them that they have to replace it?

Check the bracket looking carefully for cracks or broken spot welds as these are indications of imminent failure. If you determine that breakage is likely then go buy a pedal if you have to for now and keep the receipt. Do not wait for it to strand you or cause an accident.
If they are not changing the design then get your replacement pedal reinforced.

Chrishoky 10-22-2010 06:52 PM

OK Guys, official update so listen up! Seems I'm the first to at least post this up officially under the new warranty terms. North Penn Mazda in Colmar Pa was the dealer that replaced my clutch bracket free of charge with absolutely no problems whatsoever. The service guy told me that Mazda made a revision to the clutch bracket, the official part number is FEY5-41-30X. I have no clue what the old part number was but I'm sure someone on here will know if its new or not. Either way they are now able to order the new clutch pedal kit and are replacing now under the new warranty terms. So if your having problems give your dealer a call and have your broken clutch bracket replaced!

DarkBrew 10-22-2010 07:19 PM

Congrats. Good news
Can you snap a clear picture of the new bracket?

ASH8 10-22-2010 07:31 PM

Interesting...

I can't find info on the Part Number you posted, are you sure it is correct?? ;)

Original Left Hand Drive..latest PN
FE05-41-300C Pedal Clutch Aluminium
FE15-41-300C Pedal Clutch Standard

FEY5-41-30X ?? New Modded Clutch Bracket?? comes up Part Number does not exits, do you have all the number correct??..There is a possibilty NMAO Parts has not loaded in New Part yet??

Chrishoky 10-23-2010 01:22 AM

I will post pics of the new bracket sometime this weekend and also include the invoice I was given with the new part number

RedFC3S86 10-23-2010 06:46 AM

pedal to be covered under warranty finally!!!!
 
A good friend of mine is a tech at a local madza dealership. He told me mazda sent him an email saying they plan to cover the clutch pedal under the extended warranty! Dig up those service receipts ppl! Its time to get paid.


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