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Old 06-09-2020, 05:51 PM
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Clutch pedal dropped then stalled. Won't start

04 6speed
car died at a stop sign when clutch pedal fell. Wouldn't start after.
checked fuses.
cleaned battery terminals and tightened wires.
Changed plugs coils and wires wont start
checked red fuel line. Fuel going to rail.
deflooded until battery died wont start
Put in a fully charged battery from an element. Won't start.
Starter sounded slow compared to deflooding video so i pulled the car with a tow rope to start. Still wont start
Noticed a rattling sound coming from the gear box under shifter at startup.
Clutch pedal needs bleeding
Pilot and release bearing need replacement. Maybe disk too

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Been home with this b!÷€# 2 days
quarantine over!

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it's taking longer than usual for you guys to answer I hope everybody's okay
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I have to say that's quite a pickle. Hmmm. When you were pulling it did you let the clutch out in third and just let it spin with the key on?. Might take a small distance to start. If you did change all that and it was working before then it should start. Do you have any codes?
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Cant read any codes without the car started. Popped the clutch in 2nd but I don't know if I went far enough. I'm thinking my injectors may be clogged...
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Unlikely they are clogged. You can read codes with the key in "on" position.
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Just because you mention the clutch pedal fell, could it have something to do with the Neutral safety switch? Make sure the clutch is engaging that plunger thing or else I believe the car wont start.

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Originally Posted by Chrishoky
Just because you mention the clutch pedal fell, could it have something to do with the Neutral safety switch? Make sure the clutch is engaging that plunger thing or else I believe the car wont start. Will the car go into gear? Usually with a bearing issue the car wont go into gear.
If it was the clutch switch it wouldn't crank at all. I think his is cranking. And he also tried pulling it.
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I premix with 5 20 motor oil that's why I think they're clogged. I got some Lucas UCL and fuel treatment plus a can of starting spray. then I left them in the Walmart parking lot.....
will try again today
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Originally Posted by Red line envy
Unlikely they are clogged. You can read codes with the key in "on" position.
maybe the 04's can't be read in the on position. I get no codes
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Originally Posted by Kamal El
maybe the 04's can't be read in the on position. I get no codes
Mine is an 04. You can read codes without starting the car. Maybe you have no codes and it's just flooded from stalling.
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Brand new starter new plugs new coils new wires still no start checked all my fuses they're good haven't checked the relays though. Going to charge my battery then try to De flood it
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Yeah definitely don't premix with 4-stroke engine oil. 2-stroke only.

Start with the basics first, if the starter is slow then I'd check the battery first.
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Originally Posted by UnknownJinX
Yeah definitely don't premix with 4-stroke engine oil. 2-stroke only.

Start with the basics first, if the starter is slow then I'd check the battery first.
charged the battery up and when it died during jump-starting I took the battery out of the other car and swapped it for mine. When I put mine in the other car the other car started right up so my battery wasn't even actually dead.
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Smell no gas so i doubt it's flooded. I have spark. Fuses good. Air ofcourse...
is there a way to definitely tell whether or not my injectors are clogged? If so I could take off the injectors and clean them

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If you buy starting fluid, try that.

If it fires up then dies, you're not getting gas....
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Injectors don't suddenly clog one day. Have you experienced problems before this happened?

Is the clutch still falling to the floor or have you sorted that part out? That's typically a hydraulic failure (if not the pedal). The clutch safety switch can play tricks on you, for kicks push it down by hand and see if it changes the behaviour.

When you removed the battery, the car lost any codes it had stored, that might explain why it's coming up blank now.
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Originally Posted by StealthTL
If you buy starting fluid, try that.

If it fires up then dies, you're not getting gas....
I used starting fluid. Didn't even try to start... No difference at all.
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Originally Posted by Loki
Injectors don't suddenly clog one day. Have you experienced problems before this happened?

Is the clutch still falling to the floor or have you sorted that part out? That's typically a hydraulic failure (if not the pedal). The clutch safety switch can play tricks on you, for kicks push it down by hand and see if it changes the behaviour.

When you removed the battery, the car lost any codes it had stored, that might explain why it's coming up blank now.
Never an issue with my injectors no. I do premix with 5 20 4stroke though. I haven't bled the clutch yet. Seems to be no point in bleeding if the car won't start. I'll hit the switch manually today for ***** and giggles. Fawk I should have read the codes before taking out the battery. It was probably just a catless o2 sensor code anyway. It rained heavily that day.

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Never an issue with my injectors no. I do premix with 5 20 4stroke though. I haven't bled the clutch yet. Seems to be no point in bleeding if the car won't start. I'll hit the switch manually today for ***** and giggles. Fawk I should have read the codes before taking out the battery. It was probably just a catless o2 sensor code anyway. It rained heavily that day.
Should not pre mix with 4 stroke only FD or FC rated 2 stroke. And if it didn't fire with the starting fluid then maybe check your spark.
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Originally Posted by Red line envy
Should not pre mix with 4 stroke only FD or FC rated 2 stroke. And if it didn't fire with the starting fluid then maybe check your spark.
I checked the spark at the coils and all my Sparks were blue. I did not however check it down at the spark plug side. which seems to be considerably more . how do I do that?
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I dunno I old schooled it. Pull the fuel pump fuse pull a plug, stick the wire on it and ground it out on somthing. Then turn the engine over while someone watches for spark. Or buy a spark tester of some kind.
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Originally Posted by Red line envy
I dunno I old schooled it. Pull the fuel pump fuse pull a plug, stick the wire on it and ground it out on somthing. Then turn the engine over while someone watches for spark. Or buy a spark tester of some kind.
found that one of the coils was bad after testing it brand-new at that. Got it replaced took out the fuel pump relay and after a hell of a lot of cranking the engine wanted to start. Started it up gave a huge amount of smoke white smoke then after a spirited Drive it died the same way. Clutch pedal drop when trying to put it in reverse to park and it died and wouldn't start. At that point I put in a shitload of Lucas upper cylinder lubricant to clean out my tank and fuel injectors and about 2 gallons of fresh gas because it seemed that the old gas in the tank was probably bad. Now the car starts fine when it's cold but gives problems to start when it's warm. It will start just a hard start. I don't have the confidence enough to drive it around. So now I'm researching causes of hot starts besides the obvious low compression.

and the car constantly smokes white smoke.
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Originally Posted by Kamal El
So now I'm researching causes of hot starts besides the obvious low compression.
What do you mean by this? Have you done a compression test to know the motor is low on compression? If so, what were the numbers? You can hide some of the symptoms of low compression (with a high quality battery, series II starter, upgraded ignition, etc) but at some point it just is what it is, and will continue to degrade with time.

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Let the car sit for two days and it got a hard start again. I'm wondering if my injectors are leaking or if I may need to put a check valve in the fuel line due to a pressure issue with the fuel pump. Also my fuel lines are hanging on the bottom there's only two connector Clips under the car holding them up. What specific problems would that cause? Vent? Check valve? I'm going to put an inline check valve tomorrow to see if it helps. I'm trying to avoid going to the fuel rail and injectors or even opening my fuel tank and checking the pump. I am interested in checking the sock though to make sure that it's clean.

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Originally Posted by Chrishoky
What do you mean by this? Have you done a compression test to know the motor is low on compression? If so, what were the numbers? You can hide some of the symptoms of low compression (with a high quality battery, series II starter, upgraded ignition, etc) but at some point it just is what it is, and will continue to degrade with time.
no compression test yet.
my fuel lines under the car are not clipped. So I'm suspecting fuel pressure since it's giving me hot and cold hard starts.

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