Blown Engine
11-05-2010, 04:06 AM
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I see alot of posts on here that sound like the problems I've had and I now have a blown engine. Last problem was oil in Radiator over flow. Took it dealership today and he told me blown engine. Only 62,000 miles! I've taken excellent care and precautions with this car, understanding it's not a normal engine. Mazda is going to replace the engine because it is under warranty, but will not cover the parts that were destroyed by the blown engine (hoses, radiator etc). I will fight them on that one. The problems y'all speak of on here are very common. Google blown engine rx8 and see what comes up. Pretty scary. Also found a class action law-suit against Mazda called Zoom Zoom BOOM! Good luck, maybe they will cover your engine. Oh, before you take it in, make sure it has oil in it. Most claims have been denied because of low oil level.
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11-05-2010, 06:18 AM
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I see alot of posts on here that sound like the problems I've had and I now have a blown engine. Last problem was oil in Radiator over flow. Took it dealership today and he told me blown engine. Only 62,000 miles! I've taken excellent care and precautions with this car, understanding it's not a normal engine. Mazda is going to replace the engine because it is under warranty, but will not cover the parts that were destroyed by the blown engine (hoses, radiator etc). I will fight them on that one. The problems y'all speak of on here are very common. Google blown engine rx8 and see what comes up. Pretty scary. Also found a class action law-suit against Mazda called Zoom Zoom BOOM! Good luck, maybe they will cover your engine. Oh, before you take it in, make sure it has oil in it. Most claims have been denied because of low oil level.
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The dealership is correct however, if your engine had blown prior to 60,000 miles, everything would have been covered, but since Mazda VOLUNTARILY extended the warranty on the engine core only (they didn't have to, you could be screwed even worse now without it), they are covering part of it. The engine itself, and the labor to replace it. However, there are other parts that commonly need to be replaced but are not part of the engine core, and thus entirely legally not covered by the extended engine core warranty.
They aren't trying to screw you there, it simply what isn't covered.
From my new owner's thread: (https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-forum-197/new-potential-owners-start-here-202454/)
The engine failure story:
Most of the engine failures were on 2004s with automatic transmissions. The 2004s in general had more issues due to the flash not adding enough oil and a few other things off the boat, and the automatics being 4-port and usually driven much more casually compounded the problem.
Compounding THAT was the original reman facility for the engine replacements did not have very good quality control, and alot of those original reman engines had improper seal clearances and other build issues that caused quite a few people to get to their 3rd or 4th engines.
MSP-16 updated the flash and improved things greatly, and happened early 2005. Mazda North America can tell you if MSP-16 was performed for any 2004 or 2005 if you give them the VIN. they also re-vamped their reman facility, and reman engines 2006+ are now usually far better than the original factory ones. So if you find a 2004, 2005, or 2006 with an engine replacement that occured late 2006 or later, don't take the engine replacement as a negative mark against the vehicle, but a positive one, as it means the engine is likely in fantastic shape, and good for quite a long time.
Plenty of 2004s were still perfectly fine.
2005s have a much reduced failure rate, 2006 further, 2007 and 2008 are relatively rare.
In 2009 they introduced further engine changes correcting several things, the most critical of which was an increase in oil pressure to RX-7 ranges (they dropped it for the 2004-2008 years for some reason), and re-introducing the center oil injector (they deleted it for the 2004-2008 RX-8s for some reason, all prior rotories had it).
I have not heard of a 2009+ engine failing yet. That doesn't mean that they won't though.
A compression test should be standard before anyone buys an 8 though, just to be on the safe side. Most dealers charge $80 to $120 to do a compression test.
Most of the engine failures were on 2004s with automatic transmissions. The 2004s in general had more issues due to the flash not adding enough oil and a few other things off the boat, and the automatics being 4-port and usually driven much more casually compounded the problem.
Compounding THAT was the original reman facility for the engine replacements did not have very good quality control, and alot of those original reman engines had improper seal clearances and other build issues that caused quite a few people to get to their 3rd or 4th engines.
MSP-16 updated the flash and improved things greatly, and happened early 2005. Mazda North America can tell you if MSP-16 was performed for any 2004 or 2005 if you give them the VIN. they also re-vamped their reman facility, and reman engines 2006+ are now usually far better than the original factory ones. So if you find a 2004, 2005, or 2006 with an engine replacement that occured late 2006 or later, don't take the engine replacement as a negative mark against the vehicle, but a positive one, as it means the engine is likely in fantastic shape, and good for quite a long time.
Plenty of 2004s were still perfectly fine.
2005s have a much reduced failure rate, 2006 further, 2007 and 2008 are relatively rare.
In 2009 they introduced further engine changes correcting several things, the most critical of which was an increase in oil pressure to RX-7 ranges (they dropped it for the 2004-2008 years for some reason), and re-introducing the center oil injector (they deleted it for the 2004-2008 RX-8s for some reason, all prior rotories had it).
I have not heard of a 2009+ engine failing yet. That doesn't mean that they won't though.
A compression test should be standard before anyone buys an 8 though, just to be on the safe side. Most dealers charge $80 to $120 to do a compression test.
You are correct that they will deny claims due to low oil level. After all, no manufacturer has ever warrantied their engines to run without oil....
11-08-2010, 08:43 AM
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Some info on this RX 8 with the blown engine. I bought it new as a left over 05. Oil level checked regularly, had it towed 2 times. 1) wouldn't start, flooded out, replaced all spark plugs etc. 2) loss of compression, celluloid problem. Mostly highway miles with a little round town. No racing or extreme driving. No mods except for a K & N air filter. Treated it like my baby.
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Sounds like you probably "babied" it to death. No offense, but "babying" this car the way you would baby a pistoned engine car can kill it quite quickly. Yours wouldn't be the first.
Racing and "Extreme driving" is actually VERY healthy for this engine (referring to the high rev full throttle aspect, still need to manage heat levels), as it assists in keeping the carbon cleared out. Poking it around town and likely lots of low RPM cruise allows for excess carbon buildup, which wears down the seals faster, among other issues.
Racing and "Extreme driving" is actually VERY healthy for this engine (referring to the high rev full throttle aspect, still need to manage heat levels), as it assists in keeping the carbon cleared out. Poking it around town and likely lots of low RPM cruise allows for excess carbon buildup, which wears down the seals faster, among other issues.
12-25-2010, 04:48 PM
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To the above: It's pretty sad if the reason your cars engine blows up is because you took care of it. Usually calls those kind of cars a POS! Oh, and get off your high horse, it's a stinkin' Mazda... for real!
12-25-2010, 06:47 PM
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way you treated it probably didnt help. ride her like a ****, but maintain her like your daughter. thats the ticket.
Oh, and get off your high horse, it's a stinkin' Mazda... for real!
12-25-2010, 06:51 PM
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POS owner rather than a POS car...
The first step to enjoy a wankel is to learn how it works and why it shouldn't be babied.
This comes from somebody who could get off of his prancing horse, in case you wanted.
The first step to enjoy a wankel is to learn how it works and why it shouldn't be babied.
This comes from somebody who could get off of his prancing horse, in case you wanted.
12-25-2010, 08:50 PM
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So I'm not exactly sure what caused that ridiculous little temper tantrum of yours, but you seriously need to chill out. I'm assuming you got on this forum to learn some stuff about your car. Don't get all defensive and start acting like that because someone is trying to help you out. It doesn't make you look good. At all...
And RWIPP is right. The warranty specifically states engine core, not everything under the hood. They have no reason to be responsible for fixing the radiator and all for free because the warranty doesn't cover it. That is not them doing you wrong, that is them giving you exactly what they said they would.... Trying to "fight them on that one" won't do anything but cost you money.
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I had my 05 engine replaced at 59,600. Talk about close to 60k. I signed the bill for 0 dollars and went on my way. Car runs great now, however I was very upset that it took 2 months to complete this engine replacement due to the dealer telling me it was everything under the sun- but the engine. They gave in and replaced it only to find out the replacement engine failed on the test drive (weird). The second replacement is great like I said...I wonder if the first replacement was one of those bad remanufactured ones people speak of.
Is there anyway I can look somewhere on the engine and see what year it was built or get any info on it?
Is there anyway I can look somewhere on the engine and see what year it was built or get any info on it?
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