Notices
Series I Tech Garage The place to discuss anything technical about the RX-8 that doesn't fit into any of the categories below.

Why ISN'T my check engine light coming on?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old 03-29-2010, 11:40 AM
  #1  
Registered
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
BlackStealth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Toronto, On
Posts: 241
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Why ISN'T my check engine light coming on?

So I thought this was somewhat odd - I installed a racing beat dual resignator mid-pipe (yes, I'm 100% it doesn't have a cat) and hooked it up as per all instructions with the stock muffler. It's been about 5 days now that I've been driving the car and I haven't recieved any CEL warnings...

As ironic as this seems, is this something to be worried about? The only thing I could think of is that the previous owner may have had cobb or something similar installed to mask the CEL, but its highly unlikely (given his age and mileage on the vehicle)

I shoudl also point out that when taking the cat off the car and looking into it, I found that there was a rather large hole in the first section of the catalyzers... ie. it looked like it was on its way out eventually. (car has around 35,000 km)

I'm sure its nothing to be worried about... but I found it very strange!
Old 03-29-2010, 11:45 AM
  #2  
Registered User
 
Chinjii's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by BlackStealth
So I thought this was somewhat odd - I installed a racing beat dual resignator mid-pipe (yes, I'm 100% it doesn't have a cat) and hooked it up as per all instructions with the stock muffler. It's been about 5 days now that I've been driving the car and I haven't recieved any CEL warnings...

As ironic as this seems, is this something to be worried about? The only thing I could think of is that the previous owner may have had cobb or something similar installed to mask the CEL, but its highly unlikely (given his age and mileage on the vehicle)

I shoudl also point out that when taking the cat off the car and looking into it, I found that there was a rather large hole in the first section of the catalyzers... ie. it looked like it was on its way out eventually. (car has around 35,000 km)

I'm sure its nothing to be worried about... but I found it very strange!
Hi i have the same midpipe as you and i dont have a CEL neither , but sometimes it pops up when u high rev then it goes away
Old 03-29-2010, 11:58 AM
  #3  
Registered
iTrader: (3)
 
HomicidalApple's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: North Hollywood, CA
Posts: 551
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
damn lol i want your guys mid pipe! lol
Old 03-29-2010, 12:04 PM
  #4  
Nitrous Threadjacker
iTrader: (5)
 
JessiahC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 375
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
What year is your RX-8, BlackStealth?
Old 03-29-2010, 12:39 PM
  #5  
Chode
iTrader: (2)
 
quazmosis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 717
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I believe the earlier models were less prone to throwing CELs with midpipes. I had the Agency midpipe on mine for some time, and I never did get a CEL. Mines and 04.
Old 03-29-2010, 12:47 PM
  #6  
Registered
iTrader: (2)
 
RIWWP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Pacific Northwest
Posts: 16,684
Likes: 0
Received 240 Likes on 110 Posts
I didn't get a CEL with a borrowed BHR prototype for 3 weeks, 2005.

I was chatting with another member yesterday, who is working on cracking the ECU on his own time just for kicks (yes, he knows there are other options), and he says he thinks that for 04s and 05s (at least) there is a logical error in the code where, under certain situations/environments, the sensors are working fine but the code was written incorrectly and it won't throw a CEL, even though it should.

He likens the coding error to the Toyota coding issues, although obviously with a much less critical component.
Old 03-29-2010, 02:25 PM
  #7  
Registered
Thread Starter
iTrader: (3)
 
BlackStealth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Toronto, On
Posts: 241
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by JessiahC
What year is your RX-8, BlackStealth?

The car is a 2004 Manual



The explanation with faulty ECU readings makes sense... but I don't understand why other's with other midpipes get error readings within 10 min. They all have pretty much a straight pipe design...
Old 03-30-2010, 02:26 AM
  #8  
Nitrous Threadjacker
iTrader: (5)
 
JessiahC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 375
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
'04s often don't get CAT efficiency CELs.
I'm sure he has a lot more information on the subject, but that's what it boils down to.
Old 03-30-2010, 03:18 AM
  #9  
Nitrous Threadjacker
iTrader: (5)
 
JessiahC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 375
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
So would a neurosurgeon but would you REALLY wanna know why or just have the tumor removed safely?
Excellent point.
Old 03-30-2010, 07:01 PM
  #10  
Mu ha.. ha...
 
Razz1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Cali
Posts: 14,361
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by RIWWP
I didn't get a CEL with a borrowed BHR prototype for 3 weeks, 2005.

He likens the coding error to the Toyota coding issues, although obviously with a much less critical component.
You mean the stuck throttle issue?


As ironic as this seems, is this something to be worried about? The only thing I could think of is that the previous owner may have had cobb or something similar installed to mask the CEL, but its highly unlikely (given his age and mileage on the vehicle)


Ja, an old fart would never have an Acess Port. Especially MM, he's so damn old............
Old 03-30-2010, 07:10 PM
  #11  
Registered
iTrader: (2)
 
RIWWP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Pacific Northwest
Posts: 16,684
Likes: 0
Received 240 Likes on 110 Posts
Originally Posted by BlackStealth
The car is a 2004 Manual



The explanation with faulty ECU readings makes sense... but I don't understand why other's with other midpipes get error readings within 10 min. They all have pretty much a straight pipe design...
Straight pipe design, but I can easily see that the flow of air within apparently equal pipes is not perfectly identical. I can easily see 'eddies', 'swirls', higher or lower flow areas of a given cross section, etc... All it takes is the flow of exhaust at the point of the sensor to be within the certain criteria that is incorrectly coded on the emissions mapping, and you get no CEL. Can a pipe get 'tuned' or 'designed' specifically to take advantage of this? Probably yes, but also highly unlikely that it is worth it. The emissions maps could have been affected in factory re-flashes as well, etc... So car to car for even the same year might not even be stable enough even if you did figure out the conditions under which it wouldn't. Much easier to ignore the CEL or block the CEL. It might not even have to do with the midpipe. It might be the header, or a sub-par gasket that is letting in air diluting the exhaust, etc...

Originally Posted by Razz1
You mean the stuck throttle issue?


As ironic as this seems, is this something to be worried about? The only thing I could think of is that the previous owner may have had cobb or something similar installed to mask the CEL, but its highly unlikely (given his age and mileage on the vehicle)


Ja, an old fart would never have an Acess Port. Especially MM, he's so damn old............
Yes, I was referring to the stuck throttle issue, as well as the no-brake-override issue. However I hardly see this as something people 'worry' about. Just because there is something that the factory would see as a 'problem' doesn't mean that we do as well. I see discussions around this as being entirely of the nature: "can we take advantage of this?"

I mean, wouldn't you take advantage of it if you could?

Have to understand it first before that can happen though.

Even so, I still love knowing the "why", and the more something is called odd, the more 'why' I want to know about it

Last edited by RIWWP; 03-30-2010 at 07:12 PM.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
vapor2
West For Sale/Wanted
11
11-03-2020 03:38 PM
akagc
RX-8's For Sale/Wanted
7
08-11-2015 07:07 PM
MarkX
New Member Forum
3
07-31-2015 07:50 AM
marc2820
New Member Forum
6
07-26-2015 10:47 PM
netrovers
New Member Forum
6
07-20-2015 03:32 AM



You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.

Quick Reply: Why ISN'T my check engine light coming on?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:40 AM.