John290

I have started to do some research on the water hybrid kits. (search google "water as gas" to find out more). ANYWAYS my question is would this be just as good in a rotary engine as it is in the piston engine?

nycgps

iTrader: (1)

its the same as power chip and magnetize gas line magnet.

John290

No sorry its not... Its an alternative fuel. With enough money you can make a car run only on water. I dont think you can make a car run only on a power chip and magnets?

Silver06

PIE!!!!! ftw.


This WILL NOT WORK, ever, at all, NEVER. Are we clear.

Yes, you can make Hydrogen with water, table salt, two electrodes and a frickin' LEMON.

No, you can not produce enough H to make any difference in your car's performance from the power in your car's battery and/or alternator.

If for some reason (space aliens, perhaps) you could generate enough H to keep the engine running with less gasoline, then the power you consume to generate the H is greater than the power produced by burning the H. This is a basic law of physics.

Find another topic, or the civic forum - where they may still believe in this.

Clear enough?

Icemark

exactly right...

and don't forget that Hydrogen has a lower BTU output than pump gasoline. So burning it as a supplement or replacement will produce less power than gas would.

HeavyMetal699

Environmentalists get a rude awakening when they come to this website.

Also

I laughed at that.

tsxmidship

yes you can, i've done it, here is my proof

silvercosworth

HaHa, That's when Mr Faraday discovered the law of electroysis in the 19th century, based on pure direct current assumptions, he doesn't know what is PWM or pulsing of the DC current.....If he is still around today, i'm sure he will ammend his finding and formula now with modern electronic advancement.

Before making any comment, pls try one out yourself.....it's free alternative energy, make one the size of your car's battery and you should be able to get decent output for you to feel the difference.

rb67

Won't work. You're engine will flood.
.....
(sorry for the pun)

EdwardsB

go away and back to HS science class you might learn something.

Silver06

I'm usually a very tolerant person...

But, the law of physics that is unassailable is ENTROPY. You cannot get out more energy out of anything than is put in.

Yes, you can make a nice bubbling machine under your hood with a battery, a mayonnaise jar and some wire. Yes, the bubbles will be oxygen and hydrogen. Yes, you can hook up a tube to anywhere your little heart desires. This is a frickin' grade ten science experiment.

But, you are burning extra gasoline to make the alternator charge the battery (a good guess is 5 to 7 hp extra load on the alternator). You are producing somewhere near jack-**** worth of hydrogen. Yes, it will support a flame. Yes it will add a little hydrogen and oxygen to the airflow.

Now, do you have any idea how much air the Renesis flows? Didn't think so. Search the site to find out. Remember that we need one unit of fuel (hydrogen, or gasoline) for every fourteen, or so, units of air to make the engine run happily. Now search to see how much fuel we use (it's kinda embarrassing, actually for a 1.3 litre engine).

Now, measure the volume of your bubbles (remember only two-thirds of each bubble is hydrogen).

Do the math, mmmmkay.

As I guessed, you've just found out that you are indeed making jack-**** difference when you factor the extra fuel you are burning to keep the reaction going.


Now, go and try to find ANY peer-reviewed independent scientific study that proves the above wrong. Snake-oil sales pitches on teh intrawebz don't count.





ps. this is WAY too much typing for a free post. The Pie vs. cake threads are way more fun.

John290

Well thats excetly what i was looking for when i asked my original question. I am now aware based on your knowledge in the renesis that the rx8 would not be a good candidate. Sorry it took you to your none tolerent side (not good for the health) but thank you for you info.