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Socal Dyno Day 2009 with Mazdamaniac Tuning - RESULTS

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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 02:21 AM
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good job jorge!!! dam i should have dyno'd the miata!
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 03:20 AM
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Wow! I didn't realize I was 3rd out of all the N/A's that were on the dyno. Glad to see BHR putting up some good numbers!

I suspect some of the issues with the Nitrous were more fuel related than anything else. I know that both Erick and Charles were running rather rich but since the stock o2 WB only goes to 11:1 it's only a guess as to how rich they were running. In the case of Erick I think he was running a 75hp shot with a 75hp fuel nozzle. Had he backed off to a 65hp fuel nozzle he might have seen more power. Still, the problem is he had some lean spots which could have been dangerous with less fuel.

Still, the Nitrous with his automatic hits really hard. He's about snapped my neck a couple times hitting the juice.

Jedi put down some killer numbers. 200whp with some moderate modifications and a tune is really impressive.

Thanks for posting those dyno sheets!!
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 03:26 AM
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I just noticed that my chart is only showing 7.5 k Jeff took it to 9 though so that's why my numbers are screwy...
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Jedi54
some of the #'s were showing up on Saturday as "uncorrected". I ran them all through STD corrections and that's what came out.
Geez, rough freaking crowd in here... first 2 posts and they're both questioning me.
Yep...most of you need to know the "UNCORRECTED" is not a true measurement...it has to be in "SAE" for the numbers to be accurate...

As soon as I repair my valve issue and redyno I'll update this post...and punk Jedi in the process...

Heh
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 06:34 AM
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lol - wasn't sweatin' you bro! lol

btw, how do you guys like my new avatar??
DUDE...that ***...has your name on it! That's either how you roll...or that *** get's down...either way...EPIC WIN!
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 06:41 AM
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The Nitrous runs look all over the place,,,, Konig has a very nice curve though...
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by eviltwinkie
Yep...most of you need to know the "UNCORRECTED" is not a true measurement...it has to be in "SAE" for the numbers to be accurate...
My understanding was uncorrected values are values which take into consideration the environmental conditions of the time of the dyno. Using the SAE correction is supposed to show power output as though the dyno was taken in a controlled environment.

I think the SAE is supposed to allow you to compare your results with other dynos but we know that isn't accurate either.
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Flashwing
My understanding was uncorrected values are values which take into consideration the environmental conditions of the time of the dyno. Using the SAE correction is supposed to show power output as though the dyno was taken in a controlled environment.

I think the SAE is supposed to allow you to compare your results with other dynos but we know that isn't accurate either.
UNCORRECTED is basically what the raw output the dyno saw...

SAE factors in the variables for the "correction" so it's closer to an accurate measurement in the "real world".
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 07:01 AM
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well all i have to say is. i had no ap but still placed good
with the big dogs. top 5 with just a super cat.
so when i decide to pop for the little critter i should
better jedi..
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 07:08 AM
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the next dyno day i will be jedi's personal mech.
secretly disconnects one spark plug wire..
before his pulls
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by eviltwinkie
DUDE...that ***...has your name on it! That's either how you roll...or that *** get's down...either way...EPIC WIN!
i'll ask her and find out

anyways - great numbers guys - this was definately a great turn out -

JEDI: the dyno vid/collage is almost done!
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 10:20 AM
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It was a good day.
The So Calf boys sure know how to roll....................
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by eviltwinkie
Yep...most of you need to know the "UNCORRECTED" is not a true measurement...it has to be in "SAE" for the numbers to be accurate...

As soon as I repair my valve issue and redyno I'll update this post...and punk Jedi in the process...

Heh
im seeing the exact same numbers that i saw on the dyno day, only difference is which dyno run got printed out for me. so i dont think the numbers changed at all...
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dschreiner
everybody knows this forum wouldnt be the same without you
thanks man!
Originally Posted by Ross_Dawg
lookin good! You guys dynoed a **** ton of cars lol...
THAT'S HOW WE ROLL!!!!
yeah, that was definitely a TON of work we put in to get all those cars done in one day. First car was on @ 9:00 am and I think we were cleaning up shop around 8:30 pm. Not too bad considering we had 4 new turbos that were basically seeing boost for the first time EVER and had to get significant tuning.
Originally Posted by Detrich
wow, how'd u get your car stats so high jorge? must be the mods...
I dyno'd 190 whp at SR Motorcars a year and a half ago. The RP supercat + AP really helped

Originally Posted by Easy_E1
Thanks Yedi54 for putting these up.
Your numbers are awfullyd deceiving because that nitrous kicks in with break neck force in your car. Yours FEELS much stronger then a 180 hp car
Originally Posted by Flashwing
Wow! I didn't realize I was 3rd out of all the N/A's that were on the dyno. Glad to see BHR putting up some good numbers!
yeah man, nicely done! You had to come up big for the BHR guys because THAT'S HOW BHR ROLLS!!!


Originally Posted by Flashwing
Jedi put down some killer numbers. 200whp with some moderate modifications and a tune is really impressive.
My goal was always to break 200 and it was awesome to see that happen with a little tuning. Next up is 300 whp...

Originally Posted by scremn8
well all i have to say is. i had no ap but still placed good
with the big dogs. top 5 with just a super cat.
so when i decide to pop for the little critter i should
better jedi..
nicely done Michael! You and I have almost the exact same mods though so a little tuning could go a LONG way for your car.

Last edited by Jedi54; Jan 29, 2009 at 12:20 PM.
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 12:18 PM
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Dammit I cant find my printout... I think I'm being setup!!!
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 01:01 PM
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Nice Job guys!
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 01:16 PM
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I was originally going to just graph out the high pulls but just for you Shaun, I tried to put all of them on one graph so we could see the improvements / changes.
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by \\Konig\\
im seeing the exact same numbers that i saw on the dyno day, only difference is which dyno run got printed out for me. so i dont think the numbers changed at all...
That is because FI cars don't need/shouldn't use correction.
They make their own atmospheric conditions.
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 01:42 PM
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So are you guys gonna be out here next week to fix the blue knight?
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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Man Ray, your car breathes well up high in the RPM range compared to the others........
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotr8
Konig has a very nice curve though...
konigs' gf yes - konig , not so much .


Good work getting all that up Jedi .

So did anyone draw any conclusions on what was working to get more powa and what was not ?
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
That will be discussed between Max, Jeff, and myself.
if you guys come down id be willing to go again to get my car a bit more fine tuned. i still go lean in 5th and 6th gear and id like the AFR's to be a bit more on the rich side then they are now in the rest of the gears...i see too many 12's too often...

let me know what you guys end up doing please =)
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 02:06 PM
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Just noticed something interesting about apocalypses' dyno . His curve is very smooth - would like to know if he shut off the aux ports and vdi ? what psi was he running ?
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 02:09 PM
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I dunno what a VDI is... But I know that he was running around 6 or 7 and spiked at 10.. But he did have one of the nicest curved graphs it was simple perfection.
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Old Jan 29, 2009 | 02:46 PM
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We learned a few things and reinforced things we already knew

1) Spark plugs and coils are VITAL to keeping an 8 running well.
2) Cats can go bad quickly, we think that's why Newcastle dyno'd in the 170 range when last year he was 194 on that same dyno. (he's got about 50k on his car)
3) Tuning DOES help! Look at one of my first pulls and then look at my 202 pull.

Things we learned:

Greddy's turbos are fun and when put together properly can result in some pretty nice numbers.
Apocolypse learned that the greddy intake isn't quite the P.O.S. we thought it was going to be.
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