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Old Apr 10, 2013 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by shadycrew31
Looks good so far!

My $.02 if you are confident enough to tear apart and engine you can put one back together.

Get your irons lapped and nitrated, if you have anything over .003 of wear on the irons.

Get new housings and spec out your rotors, get OEM mazda seals and do the rebuild yourself.

It's a fun way to bond with your car .
Overconfident maybe! LOL! Once I determine if the irons are reusable I'll be sending them off to racing beat to be lapped. I talked to a guy there, Tanner I think his name was, said he didn't think renitrating the irons was necessary. From what I read that's up for heated debate. I'm thinking since this won't be my DD. If I can get even 50K miles out of it that could take me a decade to get there. I'd be happy with that.

Originally Posted by Carbon Fibr
do you mind sharing what you've got coming in?
Things I've gotten from Pineapple so far...
Engine stand adapter
Bearing Press Tools
Dial indicator w/ magnetic base
long feeler gauges
Flywheel stopper
54mm socket for flywheel
step wear indicator
V-Blocks
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Old Apr 10, 2013 | 05:02 PM
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you are learning aren't you!
OK--a little hint from the peanut galley--look at the flywheel stopper--if you use that to tighten or untighten the flywheel--then it is possible you can shift the rear iron out of place just a tad.
remember the engine bolts dont have a lot of torque on them---they act in totality--but if you put a LOT of pressure on one side of the engine---you have to be careful.
I would rather not use it.
Another hint--if you ever have to drop the trans?--recheck the Tq on the engine bolts.
I am amazed that they hold the engine together:0
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Old Apr 10, 2013 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by olddragger
you are learning aren't you!
OK--a little hint from the peanut galley--look at the flywheel stopper--if you use that to tighten or untighten the flywheel--then it is possible you can shift the rear iron out of place just a tad.
remember the engine bolts dont have a lot of torque on them---they act in totality--but if you put a LOT of pressure on one side of the engine---you have to be careful.
I would rather not use it.
Another hint--if you ever have to drop the trans?--recheck the Tq on the engine bolts.
I am amazed that they hold the engine together:0
Thats some good info. I don't have air tools unfortunatley. My super awesome electric impact wrench is only good to about 220lbs. Somehow it did manage to get the flywheel nut off however. Short of taking the engine to a shop after its assembled to get it torqued more thats all I got.
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Old Apr 10, 2013 | 08:54 PM
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get some old bolts that will screw into the flywheel--use a lever bar inbetween them to anchor it and then tighten that nut--simple
Your are welcome
JK man--thats what we are here for.
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Old Apr 10, 2013 | 09:34 PM
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sub... Good thread so far... Good luck with your build... Ill keep my eyes on this sporadically
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Old Apr 12, 2013 | 12:19 AM
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WTF! Fuzzy release bearing
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Rear Main Bearing
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Hard to get a focused shot of this thing but as far as I can tell it looks reusable
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Front Main Bearing. Shitty pic, but you can see some pretty serious wear, time to pop that SOB out!
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Old Apr 12, 2013 | 12:23 AM
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Front main bearing out.
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Finally got to put these fancy dial indicators to good use.
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Old Apr 12, 2013 | 12:36 AM
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So if I was measuring correctly Eshaft runout was only 0.001 in. Still yet to measure journals.
Corner seal step wear was:
Rear iron - 0.004
Middle iron - 0.002 and 0.003
Front iron - 0.002

I guess that puts the irons +/- the rear in the reusable category once lapped. What I can't find any info on is the groove that has formed by the exhaust port of each iron face. The deepest one I fount was about 0.006 in deep. Is that game over for the iron?

This is the groove I'm talking about
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Old Apr 12, 2013 | 08:11 AM
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That picture is pretty blurry, so I am not sure what you are talking about, does it look like this?

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Old Apr 12, 2013 | 09:35 AM
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I'll bust out the better camera and try to snap a decent pic. The gouge I circled in the pic above yours runs for just a few mm's off the tail of the port, and on all the irons ranges from 0.003-0.006 in deep. Granted mine are from a 100k mile engine, I barely see the beginning of a groove like that in your pic. Is this from the side seal I'm wondering?
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Old Apr 12, 2013 | 05:22 PM
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think about what made that groove...............
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Old Apr 12, 2013 | 08:40 PM
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All that passes over that part of the iron is the side seals and the rotor itself,no? The rotors look pretty good to me, all side seals too.
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Old Apr 14, 2013 | 05:23 PM
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Thoroughly enjoying following this thread.
Looks like you're having fun!
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Old Apr 14, 2013 | 05:26 PM
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u need a better camera dude
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Old Apr 14, 2013 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by nycgps
u need a better camera dude
Agreed. I had been using a pocket cam and my phone for all the photos so far for fear of dropping a nice one into either the parts cleaner or cement floor. Brought out the best camera I have for these pics of the rear iron. This groove exists on every surface of the irons and varies from about 0.002in to the worst of 0.006in.
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Old Apr 14, 2013 | 09:13 PM
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I still see nothing.
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Old Apr 14, 2013 | 09:56 PM
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Money Shot! Middle Housing, rear face I believe, definitely the worst of the bunch. I would also like to add for all those concerned, photography is not my day job.

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Old Apr 14, 2013 | 09:59 PM
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Same port, different angle.
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Old Apr 14, 2013 | 10:10 PM
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Ouch.
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Old Apr 14, 2013 | 10:19 PM
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Yea thats not right.
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Old Apr 17, 2013 | 07:15 AM
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Been trying to source a reusable middle housing over the last few days. Finding it pretty difficult to find one with decent pics let alone how much wear it has. IF anybody knows a good place to find one I'd appreciate the help. Did come across a fairly local renesis for sale that's owner is opting to swap a V6 instead of replace the rotary. Seems like transplanting a cheetah's heart with that of a baboon but different strokes for different folks I guess. Buying the shortblock would be a bit of a crapshoot especially since the current owner doesn't know much of the history. But on the otherhand I may get a set of usable irons and maybe even a decent rotor housing out of it if I'm really lucky. And I get to have a blast taking yet another engine apart! Powersmith!
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Old Apr 17, 2013 | 08:54 AM
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is it a isuzu v6??
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Old Apr 17, 2013 | 09:31 AM
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I think he did mention it was a V6, not sure about the Isuzu part? Interesting...
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Old Apr 17, 2013 | 10:04 AM
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is it a isuzu v6??
Make it stop

That thread infects everything, its why we can't have nice things.
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Old Apr 17, 2013 | 12:50 PM
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haha. carbon8
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