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Old 06-30-2003, 07:08 AM
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Good to see you back again Brian!
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Originally posted by Buger

Just playing devil's advocate of course. I'm mainly a lurker now and I don't post very much. This thread is pretty interesting, I hope it doesn't die too quickly...

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Devil's advocate is always fun, isn't it? And yes, rpms are just as important as torque is, but there was a strong minority on this thread that seemed to think that rpms mean everything as far as power and speed goes, and I went kinda overboard trying to say that torque matters too. It's why lower revving V8s, 6 cyls, and Turbo 4 cyls still keep up with higher revving Rotaries . Space under the curve is more important than either peak torque, peak hp, or peak revs, which is why the Renesis will be an extremely satisfying engine despite having a low amount of torque because, unlike other high revving, low displacement engines, it puts out a good amount of power throughout its powerband. I can't wait til Mazda dealers get them so I can take one for a test drive....
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Originally posted by 97gpGT

...it's assumed that if you improve the torque output at the flywheel that the torque output at the wheels also increases. Kinda hard to imagine how it would be different, don't you think?
Not really my point was you can improve RWTQ by changing not the engine but the gears. You won't actually see it on the dyno (if it's done properly) but you will feel it. That's because the dyno bullshits the torque scale by incorporating GEARING. Thank god RWHP = RWHP


I'm not one of the types of people who believes that torque is everything and that high powered, low torque cars are slow as it may seem from reading my first few posts, and I'm sorry that I gave that impression.
Then you just took my main source of entertainment away

This part of your post I completely agree with. But, unfortunately, most of the cars that we drive are street cars, not all out race cars, and their designers have to take things like fuel efficiency and engine longevity into consideration.
OK this is where we get sidetracked. I reacted to your earlier posts because they were entirely performance orientated. So I was only thinking in that frame of reference. Yes, if you want to factor in fuel efficiency, the higher geared car is going to need an extra ratio or two.

I just get a laugh out of these things because the vast majority of people think that the torque numbers on your dyno graph is actually whats there at the wheels.

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Wink

my stock (ish) 1st gen makes 1500 ft.lbs at the treads anyway...


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Originally posted by rpm_pwr
I just get a laugh out of these things because the vast majority of people think that the torque numbers on your dyno graph is actually whats there at the wheels.
It's pretty funny when they think that the dyno graphs actually show the actual amount of power the engine puts out, too. "Hey, my 250hp car only puts out 210hp, there's gotta be something wrong..." I've seen too many posts like that from newbs to even count, but they amuse me every time...
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Just don't ever say "...just add 20% more to get fwhp." I'd have to hurt somebody for that line of bs.
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Originally posted by 97gpGT
Now, if this same transmission was put into an S2000 to achieve the same torque multiplication factors to make the S2000 even faster, the S2k's top speed (redline: 9000rpm) would only be 135. This also means that, at 75 mph, the engine would be spinning at 5000 rpm, not only causing a considerable drop in fuel efficiency but also greatly increasing wear and tear on an engine that is not going to be rebuilt after every time it is used, as F1 engines are.

You of course realize that you are quoting rpm and speed figures that are very close to real-world for the S2k.
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Originally posted by mostron8

You of course realize that you are quoting rpm and speed figures that are very close to real-world for the S2k.
You do of course realize that you are quoting a 17 day old post :p
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Originally posted by pmacwill


You do of course realize that you are quoting a 17 day old post :p

LOL! Nice! No I didn't. hehe.
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