zeblien

I have a few noises that I dont think are normal, and the car dealership wont acknowledge it as a problem. Can I get a second opinion from you guys?

1.) When I turn the steering wheel, it sounds like metal cable and a pulley. Kinda like a metallic ziiiiiip.


2.) When the car is warming up (or just hasnt been driven in a while, like a couple hours, and not all the time) the breaks engage and disengage at a speed right above zero. IT feels like the car is gripping onto the breaks too soon, and letting go too late. The effect is a jerky stop and go, which is embarrassing when I am taking people for a ride.


What do you guys think, and any ideas what I should do?

-> yes I have spoke with the only 2 dealers in town.

paulmasoner

iTrader: (1)

convertable huh? hehe and is 9.8m/s/s terminal velocity or something?

sorry no ideas about you issues, good luck tho

nycgps

iTrader: (1)

1. It sounds like something its wrong.

2. The Breaks engage ? you mean the Brakes ? and what do you mean by at a speed right above zero ?

irq5

Don't know about the first question, but doesn't the ECU perform a check of the ABS system by clamping the brakes and releasing as you pull away for the first time after starting the car? It does this before you reach 10km/h (6mph), so I reckon that's probably what he meant by "at a speed just above 0"

zoom44

first sounds like the clock spring in the steering wheel- i think there is a bulletin on that.

second sounds like abs self check-

zeblien

Clock spring? Is it bad? or just annoying?
Also its hard explaining my braking issue but let me try again.


When it happens, it will do it during the first 10 minutes of driving; it does not happen all the time, nor does it coordinate to being cold,.. just seems random, but more likely to happen after sitting for a few hours.


What happens is:
when I come to a stop, just before I actually stop the breaks engage bringing the car to a ruff stop. When I let go of the breaks, the car starts to go, then I fell another "jerk" which I assume is what ever is forcing the break, to release.

This happens when ever I break for the first 10 minutes or so, when I come to a near stop.



Also:

Is this normal?

When I am stopped, and the car is in drive, everything shakes. My mirrors shake a bit, and everything vibrates. Dealership said this is normal, but damn if 35k doesn't buy alot of assurance.


Thanks soo much for you help! I dont a dealership anywhere near me that helps, so I am stuck.

Razz1

Sounds like the slave cylinders are sticking.

You live in a sandy area. Bet they need to be cleaned.

zeblien

brand new car 5k miles.

I have had them work on the breaks for excessive squeaking 5 times so far. But I just dont know how to describe something that is itermittent and hard to visualize.

Phantom Menace

You're preaching to the choir. Today, I took my car in for the 2nd time regarding my "marbles." The first time, Mazda had my car ALL day. When I went to pick it up, they said that they could not "verify" the sound and that they'd "look into it." I grabbed up the tech--who denied hearing my "marbles"--and made him sit in the car while I revved it to 7k. Lo and behold--Marbles! He said he'd do "some research" and call me by the following week. That was 2 weeks ago.

Today, he said that he'd have to call Mazda Corporate to see if there is a TSB and I have his "word" that he'd call me by next week. Needless to say, I'm not holding my breath.

zeblien

you know I really like my rx8.
I have owned a Ford and volvo, both used cars, and I tell you what, I got great service from the company. I dont know if Mazda deserved my money, but I will try to get these things fixed, then hopefully I wont need to work with the dealership much longer.

khoney

As with all other oddities, you will be told that "it's normal". So just forget about all the little things that make your 35K car like a Kia, and enjoy it.

Don't worry, your car won't fall apart - mine's been shaking like an SOB for 50K miles now. When you get strange looks from your passengers, just tell them "Hey - it's a rotary! Perfectly normal!"

zeblien

But I dont wanna.

Phantom Menace

Vibration is not "normal" in a rotary. In fact, rotaries are supposed to be "vibration-free" and smooth...

Don't believe the hype.

zeblien

I dont. The question is: What can I do about it?

I dont know since the dealer says: thats normal... actually, for ever thing I have brought it in for, they say: We cant tell you why it does that, but we tested several of our cars in the lot and they do it too".

For this case, I will not recommend anyone buy a Mazda in my area (ABQ NM).

I am taking it in friday for the 5th break inspection as well as the problems listed above.
They say there is nothing they can do, but the squeeking is louder then my music, with the windows up. Not befitting a 36k car.

mikeschaefer

acceleration from Earth's gravity


I hope he doesn't drop his car often

zoom44

ahh ok on the brakes you are having a parking brake issue- for some reaason it is intermittently not releasing properly/fully. that needs to be checked/repaired.

the clock spring noise would be abnormal and require replacement of the clock spring

zeblien

You think? I can only feel it right before I stop, but not right as I stop.

Exaggerated: 10mph car is fine, breaking
5mph something "grips the break and forces a hard stop
0mph everything normal

Letting off the break:
0mph all good
0-4mph all normal
5mph something releases from the breaks forcing a jerky start
6mph all normal

is that better?

Easy_E1

iTrader: (2)

So lets see here,,,,, Your driving an AT, am I not correct? It (vibration) sounds to me to be engine mounts. Dealer will fix them. And ya got a brake problem. The dealer will fix them.
You got 5000 miles on this car and it's doing that stuff. Dealer will fix it.
hint ,hint. Take it to the dealer and talk it over with'em. Ya know "Fix my CAR!!!!"

Easy_E1

iTrader: (2)

Are you sitting still with your head out the window turning the steering wheel?
If you are then you might just be hearing actuator on the steering rack.
zip zip zip as you move the steering wheel back and forth.
Or is it coming from inside the car at thee steering wheel?
If so check your clock spring.

Phantom Menace

So, before I start sharing the 8 with my wife and getting it ready for a possible sale/trade-in I took it to my local mazda to make sure it's up to date and all systems are safe and operational.

The marbles sound is the only thing that is currently plaguing my 8 and the service manager found out some stuff that youse guys may or may not already know. Turns out that one of the engineers of the 8 lives in Irvine, CA--not too far from me. The service manager had a conference with him and the engineer acknowleges the marlbes-in-a-can sound, primailry thanks to OUR forums! The engineer said that the sound is, infact, the heater core. At 7k the cooling fluids are rushing in and out forming bubbles that make the marlbes sound. Currently, there is NO fix as it is not detrimental to any of the 8's systems. It is more of a consequence of the systems operating rather than a pathological side-effect.

The advice I was given is to "monitor the tempreatures" and "NOT TO REV THAT HIGH." That's right...one of the 8's engineers said DO NOT REV the Renesis to 7k! WTF!? Sounds like a tautological explanation for something they cannot fix, if you ask me. I mean, since the redline is 9k, then 7k SHOULD be well within it's tolerances, no? It's like reving a conventional engine with a redline, of say 6.5k--to about...what? 4-5k rpms, no? And whatever happened to "a redline a day?"

Well, I don't want to be flamed if this is a repost or if there has already been much beef about this subject so I'll end with that that is just what I have been told. Information that came from one of our car's engineers.

zeblien

Easy1, I said earlier I had taken the car to both dealers in my city, they were not able to fix the issue as the did not know what was causing the problem.

The noise is coming from inside the cabin.
The breaks have been fixed 4 times and still squeek like a ****.

otherside

Please go away, you are as annoying as ever....

zeblien

So took it in and they replaced the clock spring though it is still making the cable noise in the steering column. They told me they didn't know what it was.
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Shaking was normal so they say (within spec unless IDLE RPM was less then 700).

zoom44

he's saying if you dont want to hear the sound dont rev that high. but its ok for you to do so because the bubbles in the heater core wont damage the engine.

zeblien

not directed to me.