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New Shell Gas?
Anyone use this new "nitrogen enriched" fuel from Shell yet? Been filling up with v-power 93 octane for years but i'm a little worry about this nitrogen enriched stuff just dont know much about it and its effects (if any) on a rotary engine.
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I'll echo all you said. Anybody?
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I noticed this as well when I filled up last week. Don't know anything about it.
marketing gimmick? who knows |
I saw a commercial about it on TV. They showed it removing carbon deposits from the valves of a piston engine. If it removes carbon, I can't imagine that it would be bad for a rotary.
http://www.shell.us/home/content/usa...e_experts.html |
so who is the first one to use it for a month and get back to us. LOL
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WTF?
I googled this in disbelief. Nitrogen is an inert gas, so it adds nothing in terms of power to the engine. Also, whatever space it takes up in the gasoline means that you are paying for.... NOTHING. I can't see nitrogen being good for anything other than tires. Also, emissions tests around here measure NOx 's (and say they cause respiratory disease in children*). Wouldn't adding more nitrogen make this problem worse? This is a marketing coup if they pull it off. ShamWOW! All imho... I ain't no organic chemist. :) Could someone with more knowledge please 'splain? *http://www.aircare.ca/repinfo-glossary.php#nox |
Let me google that for you...:)
http://petrochemical-plants.blogspot...-by-shell.html A few blogs basically say, based on Shell's marketing material, that the nitrogen enriched cleaning agents hold up better in higher temp environments such as DI and higher temp combustion chambers. It's supposed to be more effective. Who knows, maybe it will help with our carbon build up issues? :dunno: Haven't seen anything except the marketing material though. |
I think Stealth TL works for Shell (not the fuels group). PM him and see what he knows or can dig up.
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I'll shoot a PM to Stealth now, dont' everybody go spamming his inbox. :rofl:
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I used some the other day. Good news is my car didn't blow up. Bad news is I didn't notice any difference at all.
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Works for me, thanks Jedi54
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That bad news might be the good news
Originally Posted by HeavyMetal699
(Post 2906641)
I used some the other day. Good news is my car didn't blow up. Bad news is I didn't notice any difference at all.
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Originally Posted by Jedi54
(Post 2906635)
I'll shoot a PM to Stealth now, dont' everybody go spamming his inbox. :rofl:
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Originally Posted by alnielsen
(Post 2906623)
I think Stealth TL works for Shell (not the fuels group). PM him and see what he knows or can dig up.
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Originally Posted by Jedi54
(Post 2906635)
I'll shoot a PM to Stealth now, dont' everybody go spamming his inbox. :rofl:
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Originally Posted by Mazurfer
(Post 2906653)
You mean "her".
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Originally Posted by alnielsen
(Post 2906660)
Women aren't named Ray.
I haven't seen this gas in AZ yet. But then I use Chevron. Maybe I'll stop at the Shell next time and check it out. |
just pulled this off Shell's site:
Shell Launches New Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines Introducing a new molecule designed to seek and destroy engine gunk in both conventional and modern engines. Houston – Today at Shell stations across the U.S., consumers will fill-up with a new product at the pumps. Shell is introducing the all-new Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines, containing a unique, patented cleaning system designed to seek and destroy engine “gunk” (carbon deposits) in all three grades of gasoline. The new Nitrogen Enriched cleaning system protects and cleans up gunky build-up on intake valves and fuel injectors left by lower quality gasolines. Nitrogen is a key element of the active cleaning molecule in the new fuel, making it significantly more stable at higher temperatures common in modern engines, such as direct fuel-injection gasoline engines. The increased stability ensures that the molecule can work under much tougher engine conditions by resisting thermal breakdown better than conventional cleaning additives. “At Shell, our ‘Passionate Experts’ are dedicated to helping motorists get the most out of every drop of gasoline,” said Jens Mueller-Belau, Fuels Portfolio and Category Manager North America, Shell Retail.. “With Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines, our scientists have increased the effectiveness of our cleaning additive, offering consumers our most advanced technology ever.” In addition to developing the new fuel with the consumer in mind, Shell worked very closely with automotive manufacturers to gain insight into current and future engine technologies. These insights along with fuels technology leadership and a strong research and development program help Shell continually improve its products. Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines were tested in laboratories, independent testing facilities, and on the road, accumulating more than a half-million miles in various vehicles and engines—including conventional, turbo-charged, and direct fuel-injection gasoline engines, hybrids, newer vehicles with low mileage, and older vehicles with high mileage. Shell scientists also used innovative testing technologies such as dual fuel engines to conduct head-to-head comparisons with other lower quality gasolines. In these tests, split engines simultaneously run on different types of gasoline in order to collect data under the exact same conditions. The results of these head-to-head comparisons proved that the Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines are more effective than lower quality gasolines in protecting against the build-up of harmful engine gunk. “In today’s tough economy, American drivers are concerned about protecting their vehicle since it’s one of their largest investments,” said Mueller-Belau. “We want to help protect that investment. That’s why we want them to educate consumers that there is a difference in the gasoline they choose. Using lower quality gasolines can result in gunky build-up on critical engine parts, negatively impacting engine performance. Shell gasolines help drivers say ‘No’ to gunk.” The Nitrogen Enriched formula is proven to prevent build-up of gunk more effectively than gasolines containing only the minimum amount of cleaning agents as required by the EPA. The new cleaning system is certified to meet the TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline Standard – voluntary standards designated by some of the world’s top automakers (Audi, BMW, GM, Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen) to try to raise the bar on fuel quality beyond minimum government criteria. Industry research has proven that a clean engine results in better fuel efficiency, reduced emissions, and overall optimal vehicle performance. In addition, Shell V-Power® premium gasoline provides maximum protection with the highest concentration of the Nitrogen Enriched cleaning system and more than five times the minimum amount of cleaning agents required by federal government standards. It seeks and destroys engine gunk even faster than regular Shell gasoline, providing maximum protection to help vehicles maintain peak performance. Shell is supporting the launch of Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines with a national marketing campaign, including national TV, radio and online advertising, as well as point-of-purchase signage at Shell-branded stations nationwide. The new campaign builds-on the current “Passionate Experts” platform, focusing on the company’s commitment to fuel quality and passion for developing innovative new products. “At Shell, we believe it’s important to educate consumers that all gasolines are not the same—high quality gasoline can make a difference in a vehicle,” said Karen Wildman, Shell U.S. brand and communications manager. “We’re dedicated to continuous product improvement and innovation, and to helping consumers get the most out of every drop.” For additional information on Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines, visit www.passionate-experts.shell.com. |
Gunk is such an exact term for what builds up in an engine.
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it's very scientific. :)
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Nitrogen like Nitrous?! OMfG NOZZZ BOOOOOOST!!!!111
Seriously though, it's all probably just marketing and stuff. Maybe it'll help a little, but I doubt it'll have a drastic impact on your engine... ESPECIALLY if you live in CA. Damn them and their gazillion fuel regulations... |
Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines were tested in laboratories, independent testing facilities, and on the road, accumulating more than a half-million miles in various vehicles and engines—including conventional, turbo-charged, and direct fuel-injection gasoline engines, hybrids, newer vehicles with low mileage, and older vehicles with high mileage. -sigh- |
yeah, I was hoping they'd list it but as usual we have been forgotten.
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:confused::confused::confused:I sent shell an email asking the same thing
Originally Posted by RK
(Post 2906854)
What's missing from this list of engines....?
-sigh- |
:dunno:I haven't heard a word about it - must be just in the US, we don't have this in Canada.
I do work for shell, in a refinery, but we are probably the last people to know! I can tell you that the cleaning additive part of Formula Shell was based on a potassium compound - they must have found a better cleaner?:dunno: |
sooo.... what you're SAYING is that US is cooler then Canada?
That's all I got out of that. :cool: |
:lol:Yes, ........cooler that's what I meant......that's the ticket, cooler.
Because I don't know how to spell Guinea Pig!:lol: |
I must of seen the damn commercial for it 60 times since Sunday, much like the freecreditreport.com commercial......its starting to get on my nerves :banghead:
Originally Posted by StealthTL
(Post 2906960)
:dunno:I haven't heard a word about it - must be just in the US, we don't have this in Canada.
I do work for shell, in a refinery, but we are probably the last people to know! I can tell you that the cleaning additive part of Formula Shell was based on a potassium compound - they must have found a better cleaner?:dunno: |
Ceez76: Are you still singing that damned song to yourself?
I did wonder what they were doing with it as well. Threw it in my car the other day as I have normally put Shell in my car and my mileage seems down a little. I'm going to have to wait until the weekend to see it a little better though. Might just have to start driving that extra mile over to Sunoco for Ultra94 soon. |
yup and the voices in my head :rant:
[ QUOTE=DeViLbOi;2907085]Ceez76: Are you still singing that damned song to yourself? I did wonder what they were doing with it as well. Threw it in my car the other day as I have normally put Shell in my car and my mileage seems down a little. I'm going to have to wait until the weekend to see it a little better though. Might just have to start driving that extra mile over to Sunoco for Ultra94 soon.[/QUOTE] |
Before the vpower i used to use the ultra94 in all my cars but we dont have ultra94 anymore in NJ
Originally Posted by DeViLbOi
(Post 2907085)
Ceez76: Are you still singing that damned song to yourself?
I did wonder what they were doing with it as well. Threw it in my car the other day as I have normally put Shell in my car and my mileage seems down a little. I'm going to have to wait until the weekend to see it a little better though. Might just have to start driving that extra mile over to Sunoco for Ultra94 soon. |
Filled up with shell last week and check engine light stayed on till i refueled with BP
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Originally Posted by Dino the Greek
(Post 2907127)
Filled up with shell last week and check engine light stayed on till i refueled with BP
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I've noticed this nitrogen thing too, I always fill up at my local shell so whenever it came out is how long I have been using it which is at least once so far...
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yeah...it's not nitrogen gas (N2).....it's cleaning agents that have nitrogen as an element in the molecular structure of the agent.
Whether they work better I guess you have to trust shell, but I wouldn't be worried about the "paying for nothing" issue |
I have used nearly nothing but V-Power and saw the ads - still using Vpower for as long as the nitrogen stuff has been out with no differences. Seems to me it can't make THAT much of a difference - the air we breathe is like 80% nitrogen so it seems the engine would be getting a healthy dose of it either way....but as elysium19 says, if it's not N2 gas, who knows what chemical it is - I'm not going to worry about it. If it breaks my engine apart, then maybe Shell will buy me a new one....(wishful thinking)
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I'm certainly not hating on Shell,
but when oil companies add 'new forumulas' to their fuels, problems can result (even after their 'extensive testing'). For example (coincidentally Shell), Shell Canada put a new additive into their gas in Canada in 2001 - "This additive allegedly caused damage to the fuel supply system of many cars, most commonly of Acura, Chrysler, Dodge, Ford, General Motors, Hyundai and Volvo brands." * "June 4, 2002 - ALBERTA, Calgary -- Shell Canada was forced to apologize to its customers after an additive in the company's gasoline was found to damage car engines. "We extend our sincere apology for any inconvenience this problem may have caused," said Terry Blaney, Shell Canada's vice president of marketing." ** So, as with anything new and unproven, I'd advocate caution.... This is a good discussion! * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Canada_lawsuit ** http://www.allbusiness.com/retail-tr...4474843-1.html |
Canada, you say? Maybe Stealth does know how to spell guinea pig after all!
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Well I finally got a response from shell regarding the new fuel and here is it..........
Thank you for bringing your concerns to our attention. In reference to your inquiry, Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines are suited for all gasoline-powered engines. We appreciate the opportunity to serve you in this matter and look forward to providing you with quality Shell branded products and service in the future. Sincerely,Shell Customer Care |
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Yeah....exactly why im gonna save that email for a rainy day if you know what I mean. :eyetwitch
Originally Posted by DeViLbOi
(Post 2908834)
I http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:...9vOQ/heart.gif form letters.
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Originally Posted by Ceez76
(Post 2908821)
Well I finally got a response from shell regarding the new fuel and here is it..........
Thank you for bringing your concerns to our attention. In reference to your inquiry, Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines are suited for all gasoline-powered engines. We appreciate the opportunity to serve you in this matter and look forward to providing you with quality Shell branded products and service in the future. Sincerely,Shell Customer Care YEAH ITS GOOD, TRUST US ! THANK YOU COME AGAIN ! hmm ... I think this is just another marketing gimmick, pretty much like Original V-Power, then Mobil's Super+ Unleaded, Then BP came out with their Invigorate. Now Shell wants to get attention again so bam, Nitrogen Enrichd Gasoline. It does help somewhat, at least its much better than the pathetic federal requirements(they cut that shit in 1/2 years ago to save oil companies money, assholes) The closest Shell station around my home is like couple miles away, its on the way to Autozone, maybe next time when I go there I will stop by for some gas. |
I'm gonna fill up tonight....lets see what happens.
Originally Posted by nycgps
(Post 2908839)
thats pretty much saying
YEAH ITS GOOD, TRUST US ! THANK YOU COME AGAIN ! hmm ... I think this is just another marketing gimmick, pretty much like Original V-Power, then Mobil's Super+ Unleaded, Then BP came out with their Invigorate. Now Shell wants to get attention again so bam, Nitrogen Enrichd Gasoline. It does help somewhat, at least its much better than the pathetic federal requirements(they cut that shit in 1/2 years ago to save oil companies money, assholes) The closest Shell station around my home is like couple miles away, its on the way to Autozone, maybe next time when I go there I will stop by for some gas. |
I have gone through my first 1/4 tank of gas on 30 miles. It was normally in the 45 - 50 range. We shall know more this weekend though.
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I thought nitrogen is what you put in your TIRES (I have to admit though that the insides of my tires are clean).
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Nitrogen can be put in your tires as it weighs less than just normal compressed air. However, they are saying it is simply part of the chemical composition of their addative. They are marketting it in such a way, at least around here, to catch the idiots thinking it is going to be a power adder like NO2.
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sucker born every minute
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Don't see Mazda in the picture.....
Shell says that its Nitrogen Enriched Cleaning System contains a “carrier fluid” that acts like water, washing away both the cleaning agents and the engine gunk into the cylinder, where gunk is destroyed as part of the combustion process. In addition, The Nitrogen Enriched Cleaning System acts like a barrier to keep engines clean and protect them from performance-robbing gunk better than before. Nitrogen is a key element of the active cleaning molecule in the new fuel, making it significantly more stable at the higher temperatures common in modern engines, such as direct fuel-injection gasoline engines. The increased stability ensures that the molecule can work under much tougher engine conditions by resisting thermal breakdown better than conventional cleaning additives. Shell worked with automotive manufacturers to gain insight into current and future engine technologies. Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines were tested in laboratories, independent testing facilities, and on the road, accumulating more than a half-million miles in various vehicles and engines—including conventional, turbo-charged, and direct fuel-injection gasoline engines, hybrids, newer vehicles with low mileage, and older vehicles with high mileage Shell scientists used dual fuel engines to conduct head-to-head comparisons with other lower-quality gasolines. In these tests, split engines simultaneously run on different types of gasoline in order to collect data under the exact same conditions. The results of these head-to-head comparisons showed that the Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines are more effective than lower quality gasolines in protecting against the build-up of harmful engine gunk, according to Shell. The Nitrogen Enriched formula prevents build-up of gunk more effectively than gasolines containing only the minimum amount of cleaning agents as required by the EPA. The new cleaning system is certified to meet the Top Tier Detergent Gasoline Standard—voluntary standards designated by leading automakers (Audi, BMW, GM, Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen) to try to raise the bar on fuel quality beyond minimum government criteria. Shell V-Power premium gasoline provides maximum protection with the highest concentration of the Nitrogen Enriched cleaning system and more than five times the minimum amount of cleaning agents required by federal government standards |
:tool: -->wow you guys need to get with the program I thought about asking this question 2 weeks ago.
I've gone thru 1 1/2 tanks so far and it's the same as always no change all all. On a side note our Shell here is ethanol free always has been not sure if this holds any relevance or not. |
^Good thing you don't live in a corn state.
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