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the mazda dealership here has recently changed owners so its a clusterfuck, two weeks for mine and its a small town. I was just trying to ask them if they were going to order parts for the recall and they told me that its an inspection only and they will order parts after the inspection is done.
Well I just took in my '04 Rx-8 to the dealer today for the 2 airbag recalls, and was surprised they were also ready to do the fuel pump ring/tank insulation recall and the recent control arm recall. (I was under the impression parts weren't available yet for the latter two.)
Having just had this happen to me, and spending quite a few hours on the phone with both my dealer and MNAO it appears that the dealers got the notice for the fuel pump recall on the 31st of july. With the parts becoming available around the 7th-8th.
When I first spoke to my dealer they claimed they had no even received the notice. After talking to MNAO he confirmed that they had sent it out the day before I had called. After they spoke to each other, everything was cleared up.
They scheduled the appointment only a week after I contacted them. At the time I only expected them to schedule the two air bag recalls, but was surprised they were ready to do all four (both air bags + fuel pump + lower control arm) recalls.
Just be ready for a 2 day repair depending on your exact mix of recalls.
Seems lower control arm recall is just for 2004 model RX8s.
You will get new fuel pump rings for each side of RX8 saddle-type fuel tank ,and also new fuel tank insulation padding. (all comes as a kit, with one part number for this recall) .
No new pump is included in the recall, so now would be a great time to put in a new fuel pump if yours is a 2004 original pump
BTW Mazda will want you to deliver the car for fuel pump ring/insulation recall with only 1/4 tank of gas in the tank.(it is stated in recall notice, and posted in our forum) Otherwise they will have to drain your tank some before they will work on it.
I had my fuel pump ring/insulation kit done already for my RX8 after some prodding of MNAO so I didn't have to wait.
Both airbags done, supposedly with correct fix, not first round fix parts.
Good to hear you are getting it all done at once, congrats !
Last edited by gwilliams6; 08-11-2017 at 08:01 PM.
It appears the latest recall notice refers to "...replace the fuel pump filter body with a modified one to address the concern of recall 1017E." This is to address "the deterioration of discharge pipe to progress, leading to a crack in the pipe and subsequent fuel leak, which may increase a risk of fire."
This confuses me - note they are not saying "replace the fuel pump" but rather "replace the fuel pump filter body". Could the replacement here be at the sub-assembly level? (It struck me as odd when I saw the tech poking at the removed fuel pump as if he were trying to take it further apart, which wouldn't be necessary to inspect the discharge pipe alone.) And isn't the fuel filter simply the tiny sock at the bottom of the fuel pump assembly and not part of a larger filter assembly, shown here when I last removed it to inspect the filter?
While I can't imagine that, what then to make of the odd wording in the recall notice? Hope to clarify all when the work finishes later today.
Fuel filter at bottom of fuel pump assembly after removing it from its housing...
Great to see MAZDA and your Mazda Dealer is doing the right thing, when it comes to recalls and 'fuel' issues Mazda does not muck around, or for any recalls, they always does what is right.
BUT, boy has this RX-8 been a costly exercise in the right way to build and test their products, thank goodness Ford is no longer calling the shots, rushing release dates and not listening to their engineers.
And for the record I have NOTHING against Ford, OK.
But they are/were a sloppy car maker and needed Mazda to show them how to properly mass produce....just my opinion of 40+ years in the 'game'.
Look at today's Ford DSG (Auto) Trannies in the Fiesta and Focus, what a mess of poor engineering, reliability and disgraceful customer care.
And yes, the front Lower Control arms at this stage are for Series 1 RX-8 as is the fuel pump Ring Seal.
S2's have different Fuel Tank, Pump, Control Arms.
OH and I have just received my first ever Recall Notice from Mazda Australia for my S2 Passenger Takata Air Bag Inflator renewal.
I heard that some of these renewed are also defective and car has to return again, I just want mine done once ONLY @ the Dealer
ASH8 I read that lower control arm recall was for some 2004 RX8s. Notice I read said nothing about other 2005-2008 series 1 RX8s lower control arm.
From CNET: Mazda issued two recalls for the 2004-2008 RX-8 sports coupe. The first recall affects 35,332 vehicles with build dates between April 10, 2003 and May 7, 2004.The first, smaller recall has to do with the suspension. There may be "inappropriate caulking" on the front lower control arm's ball joint, which may cause the socket to crack. If that happens, and a heavy load is applied to the suspension, the ball joint may separate, which can render the vehicle unusable until fixed. If it happens at speed, a driver might not be able to steer correctly, or at all.
Mazda's got a fix for the issue, thankfully. The dealership will replace both front lower control arms with a modified design that shouldn't cause the ball-joint issue. Owners should be notified in late July via first-class mail.
****I just checked Mazda recalls with the VIN on my 2008 RX8 and there was no recall for lower control arm on my car as of Aug. 11,2017.
There is a larger added recall #1017E for fuel pump filter body on all Series 1 RX8 2004-2008. (see below).
But in my case I won't need that since I switched to a Series 2 complete fuel pump assembly some time ago. As I stated, I already had the pump rings and insulation pads and both airbags done.
ASH8 you are correct that there may still be a further upgrade of the Takata replacement.
Got legal notice today 8/11/17 of my being a possible claimant , part of a US class action suit against Mazda for the takata airbags. According to these lawyers, they claim Mazda has made a preliminary settlement offer in this case ,in the amount of $75,805,050 US dollars ,and those affected may get proceeds in the next few months or later. . Lawyers are seeking awards of $5000 in damages for each claimant/owner affected in the class action. A judge will have final ruling on whether to approve the preliminary settlement of $5000 per claimant, and will determine what percentage the lawyers get, and hold a hearing Oct. 25,2017. Owners may appear at hearing, but don't have to. Legal Notice was said to be coming through US District Court for the Southern District of Florida. I followed instructions and registered my claim form.
This is not a settlement for any actual physical injuries suffered due to the Takata airbags (that would be an individual injury lawsuit), but this is a settlement for the damages to the value of the car ,and for owners being exposed to the risks of injury, driving with the defective parts. .
Time will tell if this is real or not.
MAZDA RECALL #: 1017E
NHTSA RECALL #: 17V-354
RECALL DATE
Jun 01, 2017
RECALL DESCRIPTION
FUEL TANK LEAK
Safety Risk: Continuous use of the vehicle may allow the deterioration of discharge pipe to progress, leading to a crack in the pipe and subsequent fuel leak, which may increase a risk of fire.
REPAIR DESCRIPTION
The repairs of recall 0516J and 1017E will be performed at the same time on your RX-8 vehicle. Your Mazda dealer will replace the fuel pump rings with new ones and install heat insulation pads onto the fuel tank to address the concern of recall 0516J and replace the fuel pump filter body with a modified one to address the concern of recall 1017E.
RECALL STATUS
Incomplete
They can be no doubters now on how poor the series 1 fuel pumps are. I guess we should thank Mazda for at least trying to fix the poor series 1 fuel pump design, late, but better than never.
Last edited by gwilliams6; 08-12-2017 at 12:46 PM.
This confuses me - note they are not saying "replace the fuel pump" but rather "replace the fuel pump filter body". Could the replacement here be at the sub-assembly level? (It struck me as odd when I saw the tech poking at the removed fuel pump as if he were trying to take it further apart, which wouldn't be necessary to inspect the discharge pipe alone.) And isn't the fuel filter simply the tiny sock at the bottom of the fuel pump assembly and not part of a larger filter assembly, shown here when I last removed it to inspect the filter?
I believe there is a built in fuel filter to the assembly that is not removable. They are not referencing the removable fuel filter sock.
The reason I ask though is that I don't want them to replace my fuel pump assembly only for me to have to get back in there and take it out to melt my pop off valve shut again.
I'm all down for new control arms though, that means free alignment to go with it
[/B]BTW Mazda will want you to deliver the car for fuel pump ring/insulation recall with only 1/4 tank of gas in the tank.(it is stated in recall notice, and posted in our forum) Otherwise they will have to drain your tank some before they will work on it.
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Although this is a great idea to do anyway; it does not state this anywhere in my recall letter. Even then, I've replaced my fuel pump 3-4 times and I've done it with much more than a 1/4 tank before, I find it didn't make much of a difference anyway (not saying I did it with a full tank either).
When I dropped my car off it had a little over 3/4 of a tank. When I picked it back up it was at right about half. Considering it's not at 3/4 I don't think they added any fuel back.
It is actually in the dealer advisory/work order that was posted here once (I think by ASH8). My dealer showed me it when I made my appointment. In any case they will drain whatever fuel they need to be able to work on the tank comfortably. It saves them time and mess while they work on it. Time is money. My dealer's service manager and chief mechanic thanked me for doing it. If you have worked inside these tanks, as you say like many members have, as I have also, then you will understand why you would do it.
Why be a stick in the mud and not help your Mazda mechanic do a safer and more efficient job.
They won't put any fuel back.
Last edited by gwilliams6; 08-13-2017 at 08:07 AM.
I received my ball joint and fuel pump notice yesterday. My car has made it 151K miles with no issues, with either item. Original fuel pump. On second motor however. I'll call Monday and see if I can get in.
Those lawsuits are just a money grab, I'm guessing in the end Takata is paying. If the number is $5k, we might see $15.00.
cpa7man, you may be unique in having gone 151k on original series 1 fuel pump. I know no one else that has made it that far on the original pump. Time to change the entire pump, not just pump filter assembly, in my opinion, but at least the pump assembly under recall. If I get something from lawsuit, fine, if not, fine.
Moving to Grapevine in September. I will check you and Stevedallas out when I get there.
And yes, the front Lower Control arms at this stage are for Series 1 RX-8 as is the fuel pump Ring Seal.
S2's have different Fuel Tank, Pump, Control Arms.
I just received my lower control arm recall.
Will this diminish my negative camber for autocrossing?
Will it require an alignment?
I really hope not because I have -2* camber in front now and car is perfect. Maybe they will only change them if they are cracked?
cpa7man, you may be unique in having gone 151k on original series 1 fuel pump. I know no one else that has made it that far on the original pump. Time to change the entire pump, not just pump filter assembly, in my opinion, but at least the pump assembly under recall. If I get something from lawsuit, fine, if not, fine.
Moving to Grapevine in September. I will check you and Stevedallas out when I get there.
Cheers !
I'm just down the road (across the street in TX terms, lol) in Las Colinas. Please don't hesitate to let me know if I can ever be of assistance; RX8 related or not.
I had my midpipe on, they didn't say a word. Amazingly they didn't screw up the wiring for my carpc either when they were doing my airbags at the same time.
What they did almost do was stick washer fluid in my SOHN tank..I got a call asking about it saying they "almost" did it. When I got the car back the tank was half full and I had a $20 charge for two-cycle that they immediately took off. I'm thinking they did pour it in, drained it, and refilled it with a quart.
cpa7man, you may be unique in having gone 151k on original series 1 fuel pump. I know no one else that has made it that far on the original pump. Time to change the entire pump, not just pump filter assembly, in my opinion, but at least the pump assembly under recall. If I get something from lawsuit, fine, if not, fine.
Moving to Grapevine in September. I will check you and Stevedallas out when I get there.
Cheers !
Looking forward to it, Team you should join us for a beer or soda! I just gave my 8 to my son, who lives in GV also. Were taking it down to Mazda EOM. I still have an 8 EP car , and an FD, so I guess I can still join the party.
No, yo do not need to put the cat on to go to the dealership unless you are trying to get warranty engine work done, even if there are emission laws in your area, the dealership isn't cops. If you aren't paying them to work on your exhaust system they won't even look at it anyways.
Last edited by RotaryMachineRx; 08-16-2017 at 07:57 AM.
Although this is a great idea to do anyway; it does not state this anywhere in my recall letter. Even then, I've replaced my fuel pump 3-4 times and I've done it with much more than a 1/4 tank before, I find it didn't make much of a difference anyway (not saying I did it with a full tank either).
Sorry RotaryMachine Rx you are incorrect. Mazda does state it on page 2 of the recall notice. I quote; " Please bring in your car with no more than 1/4 tank of fuel if possible"
Ok , I guess again you folks up north got the lesser of recall notices. Sorry. Even though it is MNAO Mazda North America Operations, I guess your version of our NHTSA is not the same stalwart in these matters.
You were correct for Canada and I was correct for the US.
In my particular case I won't need the fix as I switched to a series 2 pump assembly awhile ago and it has different and newer discharge pipe.
Best to all folks up north.
Last edited by gwilliams6; 08-17-2017 at 03:22 PM.
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