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Old 04-01-2012, 05:47 AM
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new motor questions

hey guys, have to get new motor, been looking about and i have a few questions about what i should be looking for.

I have a 04, and i know they start showing problems around 80,000ish miles. So should i look for another motor with over 80k on it? Its kinda strange looking for a new motor with high miles haha. just one thing i was wondering. thx guys.
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Actually, 2004 motors can start failing around 10,000 miles. And they can last as long as 250,000 (and climbing, go talk to Elf)


So somewhere in that range should be good.










In essence, the mileage of the motor DOES NOT MATTER. Just the compression. I'd take a 200,000 mile motor with compression in the 8s over a 20,000 mile motor with compression in the 7s.

The problem is that there are so many different ways for an engine to fail:
- Excessive carbon buildup accelerates seal wear, causing compression loss
- Excessive carbon buildup unseats the apex seals, causing compression loss
- Excessive heat buildup warps the housings to one degree or another, preventing the apex seals from sealing, causing compression loss
- Excessive exhaust temperatures overheat the side seal springs, warping them until the side seal pops out of it's location, clips the exhaust port and shatters, throwing shrapnel through the engine (usually race motors, possible but rare in street motors)
- Fuel pump failure or high lateral G left turns with low fuel causes fuel starvation under load, creating a lean spike that causes detonation and shatters seals
- Cat failure (even more common than engine failure) causes localized heat and pressure buildup that overstresses the seals and breaks down oil viscosity, leading to various issues
- Clogged oil injection lines prevent oil from being injected, leading to excessive apex seal wear and side seal overheating, leading to compression loss and/or catastrophic failure (depending on which fails first)
- Subpar reman engine quality, starting with low compression that accelerates any other issue (reman quality has improved over the years, but bad apples are still reported)

These are just the common failure methods. There are uncommon ones, and/or freak ones, like a transmission issue snapped one guy's e-shaft somehow (probably a defective e-shaft that was too weak), or issues that are entirely owner caused, like too low octane or not keeping on top of the oil level.
Mileage is only a direct contributor of 2 of those issues. The only impact mileage has on the rest is "how many miles were done with that failing?"


Yes, if you decline to pursue the compression values before purchasing an engine, then you are more likely to be better off with a lower mileage engine.

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