Ignition Coils Help (BHR Ignition Upgrade)
11-04-2009, 04:23 PM
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Charles - I happen to have a PM from 7-29-09 where I did ask about my requirement for blue wires and the initial feedback was that there was too much to be done to accommodate special requests. You left the door open, but, really, I but I understand the hassle it would have been as well the schedule I was trying to keep. Of course, there are no hard feelings as I then went and ordered my brakes from you anyway. Then you went and shut down powerslot and personally delayed my rotors for months!!! Haha, j/k. Seriously, though, I have every pm to and from you from the last 2 years for evidence in court! I may need to request a larger in box!
Brettus - I'm running peak 12.8 psi, and look to hold about 12 psi to redline. I can't really mash the throttle this week as I'm due for some new plugs and it'll break up at the torque peak. I'm probably overdue for another spin on the dyno to check out how it's running. I don't truly have a good dyno to indicate what power level I'm at when my plugs are new/working. I'm running 3.5 dwell. Originally had an HKS ignition amplifier but that's a no-no with the igniter box.
Brettus - I'm running peak 12.8 psi, and look to hold about 12 psi to redline. I can't really mash the throttle this week as I'm due for some new plugs and it'll break up at the torque peak. I'm probably overdue for another spin on the dyno to check out how it's running. I don't truly have a good dyno to indicate what power level I'm at when my plugs are new/working. I'm running 3.5 dwell. Originally had an HKS ignition amplifier but that's a no-no with the igniter box.
Last edited by maxxdamigz; 11-04-2009 at 04:25 PM.
11-04-2009, 04:33 PM
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I'm running a Type 3 Mazsport. I did 320/wheels pre-ignition but that shop, while good at tuning, seemed really interested in giving people good numbers rather than true numbers. They run a dynapack and a correction factor to get "dynojet numbers." So I'd take that with a grain of salt. At KDR I pulled something like 284 whp at 6200 RPMS with torched spark plugs, didn't run the car past 6200. Then I replaced the plugs and I got face cramps from the giddy smiles. Now I need to replace them again. KDR is 150 miles away though so I'll just have to live with being subjectively happy for now.
11-04-2009, 04:44 PM
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Oh yea...this thread reminded me I still havent set my dwell settings properly. I just quickly raised the table 50% when I threw them on....need to go back and set it properly. 
11-04-2009, 05:10 PM
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I'm an engineer. If it were up to me, I'd have everything forever. I have every email I have gotten or sent at work since I was hired in 2005. The PM box is harsh though. I've been hovering over 90% forever selectively deleting as I approach the cap. You would be surprised the bits of information you find out in the course of discussing things that can later be referenced. McMaster car part numbers, who is using what spark plug, what hours X shop keeps on Saturday even though it's technically closed. Information is clutch.
Then there are bullshit PMs - buying things you've since gotten, PMs about stuff you decided you didn't want, invites to meets/shows - those are the things I generally delete.
As for the rotor delays, I truly could not be more apathetic on the subject. I ordered the parts because you were having a sale. They are currently sitting in my room waiting for me to stretch the last inch out of my current brakes. Getting them here in April would have just taken up space in my apt sooner. As a customer, the only thing that really ever pisses me off is unresponsiveness which I doubt anyone has ever accused you of. Delays are part of the business.
Then there are bullshit PMs - buying things you've since gotten, PMs about stuff you decided you didn't want, invites to meets/shows - those are the things I generally delete.
As for the rotor delays, I truly could not be more apathetic on the subject. I ordered the parts because you were having a sale. They are currently sitting in my room waiting for me to stretch the last inch out of my current brakes. Getting them here in April would have just taken up space in my apt sooner. As a customer, the only thing that really ever pisses me off is unresponsiveness which I doubt anyone has ever accused you of. Delays are part of the business.
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11-04-2009, 05:19 PM
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^^ maxxx: you can export your PM's to word docs then delete them here so you can have more room.
11-04-2009, 05:20 PM
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Stupid question:
If this winter I wanted to stock up on some maintenance parts and get new coils, spark plugs, and wires, would the BHR Ignition Harness (with Yukon coils and MSD wires) be exactly the same, just minus the extra spark plugs?
i.e. the equivalent of OEM coils, Racing Beat wires, and NGK sparks = BHR ignition harness with Yukon coils and MSD wires, and NGK sparks ? Thus I don't have to buy anything extra?
Thanks
If this winter I wanted to stock up on some maintenance parts and get new coils, spark plugs, and wires, would the BHR Ignition Harness (with Yukon coils and MSD wires) be exactly the same, just minus the extra spark plugs?
i.e. the equivalent of OEM coils, Racing Beat wires, and NGK sparks = BHR ignition harness with Yukon coils and MSD wires, and NGK sparks ? Thus I don't have to buy anything extra?
Thanks
11-04-2009, 05:22 PM
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Munchy: correct, the BHR kit = coils, harness, and wires.
Then you'll need to get some new spark plugs and you'll be all set.
funny you should mention OEM coils + RB wires because that's what I took off and replaced it with the BHR.
Then you'll need to get some new spark plugs and you'll be all set.
funny you should mention OEM coils + RB wires because that's what I took off and replaced it with the BHR.
11-04-2009, 05:22 PM
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This is getting a little off track, but I have very little short term memory. Either that, or I have exceptional focus. I have to write down or save everything or it's gone forever the first time I start actually thinking about something. Also, as a customer, I strongly prefer never to call. As I am on the phone, I am already forgetting the beginning of the conversation. An email though can be reread, saved.
I have family out in Arizona. I should take a vacation at some point and drink beer while you guys build me an engine! Knock on wood, that might not be for a while.
Jedi - but what if I wanted to access said documentation elsewhere. I'd need to host it. Really, I think I'll just keep the PM pile rolling until I actually need to archive - which will be never. Nothing in there is actually critical.
I have family out in Arizona. I should take a vacation at some point and drink beer while you guys build me an engine! Knock on wood, that might not be for a while.
Jedi - but what if I wanted to access said documentation elsewhere. I'd need to host it. Really, I think I'll just keep the PM pile rolling until I actually need to archive - which will be never. Nothing in there is actually critical.
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11-04-2009, 05:31 PM
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BUT
what's the difference between the ignition harness and the ignition upgrade for $485?
why wouldn't everyone go the BHR route if it's been a proven reliability mod... OEM coils + wires alone will run $200ish whereas the upgraded harness system is $215.
11-04-2009, 05:41 PM
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Think thats sufficient even if I"m pushing....big numbers? I have these 900cc injectors....and this big turbo you see.....and the itch is...growing.
11-04-2009, 05:52 PM
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The harness is simply a harness that allows one to build their own kit (should they so choose) and I can even build custom-length harnesses for remote coil locations. Same with the spark plug wires since I hand-build them my-damned-self.
The kit is the whole "shebang" and it is pre-assembled for easy installation.
This is the point that people are still reluctant to accept or have their skepticisms about (and I really don't blame them, given the nature of the performance aftermarket); of the effective mods for the RX-8, BHR really as them all nailed down. Take a look at our product line; Cobb AccessPort, ignition system, lightweight flywheel, lightweight clutch, the first of the effective radiators (even for A/T use), reinforced clutch pedal assembly, and so on.
If one of our products isn't something we can stand behind with our entire reputation, then we don't bother with it. Whether we build it or resell it, doesn't matter; we better love it or I ain't selling it.
The kit is the whole "shebang" and it is pre-assembled for easy installation.
This is the point that people are still reluctant to accept or have their skepticisms about (and I really don't blame them, given the nature of the performance aftermarket); of the effective mods for the RX-8, BHR really as them all nailed down. Take a look at our product line; Cobb AccessPort, ignition system, lightweight flywheel, lightweight clutch, the first of the effective radiators (even for A/T use), reinforced clutch pedal assembly, and so on.
If one of our products isn't something we can stand behind with our entire reputation, then we don't bother with it. Whether we build it or resell it, doesn't matter; we better love it or I ain't selling it.
So the ignition harness is something I'd buy to modify my existing stock ignition system to accept the yukon coils
the ignition system is the harness plus a new ignition, all in one piece to bolt on and replace the stock ignition setup
i guess my bottom line again is instead of ordering OEM coils and whichever wires, can I order the BHR ignition harness with the added yukon coils and MSD wires instead? or is there additional things I have to buy with the harness kit to make it work?
11-04-2009, 05:52 PM
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Yep, but here's something else; at the torque peak is where the dwell time is most crucial as that is where you will have the highest housing pressures and the higher the pressure, the more difficult for the coil to arc the plug. Before and after the torque peak, in the RPM range, you can back off a bit on the dwell time so as to let the coils "relax" a bit. Pretty much let the coil dwell times follow the shape of the torque peak and you'll be fine and your coils will last a LONG time.
11-21-2009, 02:02 PM
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The harness, $125 shipped in the 48 States, is a "plug-and-play" harness that allows you to easily plug a set of LS-2, Yukon, or MSD 8247 coils into your factory harness. No cutting, no splicing.
The BHR Ignition System, $485 shipped in the 48 States, is a baseplate, brackets, coils, the harness, and MSD spark plug wires preassembled for the easiest of installations. It takes about an hour to install, on average. Nothing else will be needed and I even discount the NGK spark plugs to $72 when ordered with the kit.
It usually takes about 2-3 weeks to ship the kits out and Easy_E1 and I have been churning these things out like crazy. We just shipped 20+ kits last week.
The BHR Ignition System, $485 shipped in the 48 States, is a baseplate, brackets, coils, the harness, and MSD spark plug wires preassembled for the easiest of installations. It takes about an hour to install, on average. Nothing else will be needed and I even discount the NGK spark plugs to $72 when ordered with the kit.
It usually takes about 2-3 weeks to ship the kits out and Easy_E1 and I have been churning these things out like crazy. We just shipped 20+ kits last week.
What does one get when they choose "Add Yukon Coil/MSD Coil Wires" to the Ignition Harness for $90 more for $215 total?
Is one getting 4 ACDelco D585 Yukon coils and MSD coil wires?
I assume these are the MSD coil wires?
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It sounds like if we stick with stock coils, we should change at every 30K mile servicing (at least)?
How long do the Yukon coils last in a stock set up? Just wondering how often (miles) I'm going to have to replace the ACDelco D585 coils.
Last edited by CarAndDriver; 11-21-2009 at 02:15 PM.
01-29-2014, 06:04 PM
#46
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Yes you should see an extra mile or two per gallon with BHR coils, wires and new plugs (if everything else with your engine is up to snuff). I saw a slight mileage improvement when I changed to the BHR kit and it has kept that improvement.
02-14-2014, 02:29 AM
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A friend of mine here in Turkey just bought the BHR Kit recently. And he gained like 3 whp at the dyno. Actualy kit works perfectly if you ask me.