Huey52

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Yep, no argument there. If I were really a tree hugger I would drive a hybrid and car pool. But purposely removing a cat converter is over the line as far as I'm concerned. jmho

DOMINION

Who says its wrong? Cus its the LAW? When was the last time you did the speed limit or looked over your sholder before changing lanes?

Huey52

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Like I said, we all justify things. I'm an excellent driver so I should be able to go over the speed limit. (I do look over my shoulder though).

Not meaning to come across as holier than thou. I just like to breath clean air. We all have our hot buttons.

Renesis07

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<yawn> I like my flames.

Socket7

I say it's wrong because I want my children to be able to SEE a glacier, not just read about them in books.

StealthTL

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Cats are '70s technology - they have ZERO to do with carbon use or global warming.

Every gram of carbon that enters a cat exits at the other end, and the mixture has to be richer to even run the cat, ergo they make the situation worse, not better.

S

Huey52

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StealthTL is correct about a cat not helping to reduce CO2 emissions. It actually promotes same as it breaks down unburnt hydrocarbons.

The main purpose of a cat is to lessen the toxicity of exhaust gases and thereby promote to some degree cleaner air. Of course with so many more cars on the highway these days it's not as much of an aid as when introduced in the mid-70's. But again, they're better than nothing until we finally stick a fork into internal fossil fuel combustion.

Socket7

Theres more to climate change then CO2. Oxides of nitrogen is one of those things. A giant blanket of smog covering the earth isn't going to be helping matters any. Acid rain will also kill off plant life that would otherwise sequester carbon, if you want to start being a pedant.

Cats are good for the planet, they're good for your children's future. Don't gut them. (they're also warm and fuzzy and very independent)

04RX8man

I would go with a highflow cat and without a cat you will get a CEL unless you mask it with the MM AP

Renesis07

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yea, but cats melt and cost a lot of money outside of warranty. So my brand new cat I recieved is sitting in my garage while I rock a midpipe. Besides, I hardly drive my 8 anymore anyways, so I need to make up for all the times I dont drive it that way the polution evens out jk jk.

I see valid arguements here, I guess I'm just stubborn and enjoy being loud, throwing flames, and having a couple extra hp for under $150 bucks. That's just me though.

Huey52

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Cats aren't good for the planet. We should have dogs only (and pie over cake). Sorry, couldn't resist.

DOMINION

This kinda reminds me of smoking with a filter or with out lol you still going to die


And dont you guys know that Cows make more pollution than a Hummer.

To be named later

Sheesh........running without a cat is polluting, no matter how you 'splain it away or justify it.

Just own up to it, say you don't give a damn if you dump a few toxins in the air, just do it without all the cheezy support excuses you use to make yourself feel okay about it.

Renesis07

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lol, nothing cheesy about saying I enjoy being louder, throwing flames, and having a couple extra horsepower, that's a legit reason.

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Those are all support excuses. Maybe not as cheesey as Nascar references or comparisons to V8's etc., but loudness, HP, Flames........those are all support excuses. Justification to continue polluting thru an illegal means.

I'm not trying to be preachy.....if you want to go cat-less, fine.

Seems like many are saying "Wow, I like the effects!" instead of recognizing that the cause is harmful to begin with.

StealthTL

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I don't live in San Francisco or I would probably not be catless, I'd want to keep the fog breathable. (and eat granola and hug trees, but that's a different rant.)

I live in the middle of nowhere, and my RX-8 - 'catfree' or otherwise, doesn't matter one iota.

I'm forty miles from the nearest traffic light.......

....and being cat free here is NOT illegal.


S

mysql

Hippies make me laugh.

I know and can see why they're mad. But they focus on a single item and make it the biggest issue on earth when it's usually one of the least of our concerns when it comes to the grand scheme of things.

jeffe19007

Cats are warrantied under the emissions warranty. For my 1995 truck that was 80,000 miles. The 8 has the same. Look for Federal Emissions Warranty, under major components.

They have to replace your cat if it fails emissions and the reason is the cat. Generally done without complaint.

But I agree, your car is more efficient without a cat. Just one of many compromises in your vehicle.

To be named later

Hippies make me laugh, too.

So I guess that you subscribe to the notion that since some countries send out trillions of lb's of pollutants every year, and since some industries send out billions of tons of pollutants every year, and since some companies and cities send out millions of pounds of pollutants each year, and since such and such send out 1,000's of tons each year.......what harm is there in the grand scheme of things if one person adds a small share?

Well, while it is small in the grand scheme of things, again, it doesn't make it right, but it is a good way to justify it.

Hell....if I was to investigate Texas law and found I could do it and it might improve performance or MPG, I might consider it, so I'm no tree hugger, I just have an issue with the route used to justify and excuse it.

Renesis07

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You keep talking about us using 'support excuses'. But you're making up 'support excuses' about why to leave a cat on . Opinions are opinions and if you're going to call everyones reasoning 'excuses' well then this debate is pretty much pointless. You shouldnt approach an issue with the 'I'm right no matter what' mentality. My .02.

mysql

I laugh at anyone who thinks the climate shouldn't change, or ignores that the sun is what generates our heat. Neither is static.

A "ton" of something sounds like a lot, but in the vast scale of the planet, it really doesn't mean squat. I know the reaction is that I don't care, or that I'm an *******, but that's how it is, and I'm OK if your opinion clashes with mine.

I also know the argument of "If everyone else is doing it, my little car won't matter" I full well comprehend that things could change if everyone's attitudes changed. But look at our population. We can't even get 50% of us to vote for our own leaders. I don't worry about it because my car is irrelevant. I also don't subscribe to the Al Gore global warming school of thought. He's full of crap.

Renesis07

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And on top of that, I enjoy being loud, throwing flames, and having a few extra horsepower.

But our reasons are all a bunch of mindless excuses and are irrelevant.

mysql

the stock cat is hard pressed to make it on a normal car. With mine running up in the 16 AFR range at cruise, it would not last very long. My choice is between lower fuel economy and using up more fossil fuels or making more power and using up less gas.

Hardly an irrelevant choice.

Huey52

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I agree with you on the latter mysql. I appreciate the line "Mother Nature is busy doing her thing and occasionally we humans get in the way." Global warming (or cooling) has much more to do with periodic cycles than our impact.

I sure wish we could more quickly transition to a motive technology that would rapidly clean our air. Then again, China's current manufacturing expansion, fueled by a new coal fired electric plant coming online almost weekly, pretty much negates any action we can take. That manufacturing is in large part to satiate our consumerism. It's a complex issue.

To be named later

What "support excuse" am I making up?
Is not Leaving Cat On > Taking Cat Off.......when it comes to pollution and toxins?


I agree.

I don't know if you were actually making this generalization or not, but if someone has issues with going cat-less, that doesn't mean they are an Al Gore loving Global Warming zealot.