Cumulative Synthetic Oil Discussion
if you have too much ZDDP for example, you still "fail" the latest API standard.
does that mean its bad? nope. its actually better.
This is another reason why I always prefer SJ rating oil than SN(newest) or SM.
Bad quality Synthetic (or FAKE Synthetic like Most Syntec and Valvoline, etc) are actually worst than a good Dino.
it doesn't mean the standard/requirements? yes, but that does not mean its bad in any way.
if you have too much ZDDP for example, you still "fail" the latest API standard.
does that mean its bad? nope. its actually better.
This is another reason why I always prefer SJ rating oil than SN(newest) or SM.
if you have too much ZDDP for example, you still "fail" the latest API standard.
does that mean its bad? nope. its actually better.
This is another reason why I always prefer SJ rating oil than SN(newest) or SM.
I'm not saying it's bad, just that they can't test every oil so Royal Purple may be okay but you just don't know if others are unless they have been tested. Every synthetic oil manufacturer say theirs is the best but at least if the meets requirements of some type of industry standard test, it will be pretty safe. I don't know, if your oil meets or exceeds industry standards then why not have them test it
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Where in fact they are just semi-synthetics.(Dino and Synth).
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interpretation? you shouldn't made this post then.
bullshit, only tested with 5w20? then explain me why they recommend other countries to use 5w30 ?
They recommend something because people are lazy and stupid as %$#@ these days, if you show them a chart with a list of oil they will be like "WTF?"
Not to mention, 5w20 is the best thing to meet CAFE standard. That's exactly why they do it.
there IS a major difference, Sounds like you don't even know what they are.
Mazda's "recommended" maintenance schedule is 7500 miles every oil change. so you telling me that's "ok" ? Get some oil report before you spill more bullshit.
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Mr. Obvious #2.
But not everybody can install the SOHN adapter, or some people might be lazy(like me), so premix is a lot easier.
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bullshit, only tested with 5w20? then explain me why they recommend other countries to use 5w30 ?
They recommend something because people are lazy and stupid as %$#@ these days, if you show them a chart with a list of oil they will be like "WTF?"
Not to mention, 5w20 is the best thing to meet CAFE standard. That's exactly why they do it.
there IS a major difference, Sounds like you don't even know what they are.
Mazda's "recommended" maintenance schedule is 7500 miles every oil change. so you telling me that's "ok" ? Get some oil report before you spill more bullshit.
Thanks. Mr. Obvious.
Mr. Obvious #2.
But not everybody can install the SOHN adapter, or some people might be lazy(like me), so premix is a lot easier.
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Mr. Obvious #4
Seriously, not sure why I'm trying to sift through all of the crap on this website to learn if this is what's going to happen when I post. I've seen many other car communities that are more welcoming.
This is the problem with forums these days. @ssholes running around being dicks to everyone who isnt 100% accurate about something. Nobody is perfect and knows everything.
What do you do? Sit around waiting for newcomers to make a post and then flame? Is that what gets you off?
And I wasnt talking about the there not being a major difference between dino and synthetic. I KNOW there is a big difference between to two oils. I was implying that it doesnt SEEM (based on what I've read) like it will make a major difference to your engine in the long run as long as it's maintained well.
Sorry for being so obvious. I was just trying to sum up what I read.... showing that I'm learning from this site. Hey, if I learned something that was wrong then correct me politely in the futute!
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I have apparently been using an oil (RP) in rotaries for over the past decade that does "not meet certain industry standards". I have also never had an engine failure. Then again I also asked the highest rotary person in the world his opinion of it a Sevenstock (zoom44 was also present as a witness) several years ago and he said it was fine. But hey, an official lawyer and accountant written corporate memo says not to use it so you'd better not! Ignorance is bliss.
I have apparently been using an oil (RP) in rotaries for over the past decade that does "not meet certain industry standards". I have also never had an engine failure. Then again I also asked the highest rotary person in the world his opinion of it a Sevenstock (zoom44 was also present as a witness) several years ago and he said it was fine. But hey, an official lawyer and accountant written corporate memo says not to use it so you'd better not! Ignorance is bliss.
I wish this Renesis owner could say the same. It's hilarious, it just keeps sucking you back in, over and over again.
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Guess I stand corrected. Hey, everyone has to start somewhere and start learning. I'm willing to learn, but I dont think it was necessary to be such an @sshole about it. You could have corrected me without coming off like a condesceding *****.
Seriously, not sure why I'm trying to sift through all of the crap on this website to learn if this is what's going to happen when I post. I've seen many other car communities that are more welcoming.
This is the problem with forums these days. @ssholes running around being dicks to everyone who isnt 100% accurate about something. Nobody is perfect and knows everything.
What do you do? Sit around waiting for newcomers to make a post and then flame? Is that what gets you off?
And I wasnt talking about the there not being a major difference between dino and synthetic. I KNOW there is a big difference between to two oils. I was implying that it doesnt SEEM (based on what I've read) like it will make a major difference to your engine in the long run as long as it's maintained well.
Sorry for being so obvious. I was just trying to sum up what I read.... showing that I'm learning from this site. Hey, if I learned something that was wrong then correct me politely in the futute!
Seriously, not sure why I'm trying to sift through all of the crap on this website to learn if this is what's going to happen when I post. I've seen many other car communities that are more welcoming.
This is the problem with forums these days. @ssholes running around being dicks to everyone who isnt 100% accurate about something. Nobody is perfect and knows everything.
What do you do? Sit around waiting for newcomers to make a post and then flame? Is that what gets you off?
And I wasnt talking about the there not being a major difference between dino and synthetic. I KNOW there is a big difference between to two oils. I was implying that it doesnt SEEM (based on what I've read) like it will make a major difference to your engine in the long run as long as it's maintained well.
Sorry for being so obvious. I was just trying to sum up what I read.... showing that I'm learning from this site. Hey, if I learned something that was wrong then correct me politely in the futute!
lol..
Guess I stand corrected. Hey, everyone has to start somewhere and start learning. I'm willing to learn, but I dont think it was necessary to be such an @sshole about it. You could have corrected me without coming off like a condesceding *****.
Seriously, not sure why I'm trying to sift through all of the crap on this website to learn if this is what's going to happen when I post. I've seen many other car communities that are more welcoming.
This is the problem with forums these days. @ssholes running around being dicks to everyone who isnt 100% accurate about something. Nobody is perfect and knows everything.
What do you do? Sit around waiting for newcomers to make a post and then flame? Is that what gets you off?
And I wasnt talking about the there not being a major difference between dino and synthetic. I KNOW there is a big difference between to two oils. I was implying that it doesnt SEEM (based on what I've read) like it will make a major difference to your engine in the long run as long as it's maintained well.
Sorry for being so obvious. I was just trying to sum up what I read.... showing that I'm learning from this site. Hey, if I learned something that was wrong then correct me politely in the futute!
Seriously, not sure why I'm trying to sift through all of the crap on this website to learn if this is what's going to happen when I post. I've seen many other car communities that are more welcoming.
This is the problem with forums these days. @ssholes running around being dicks to everyone who isnt 100% accurate about something. Nobody is perfect and knows everything.
What do you do? Sit around waiting for newcomers to make a post and then flame? Is that what gets you off?
And I wasnt talking about the there not being a major difference between dino and synthetic. I KNOW there is a big difference between to two oils. I was implying that it doesnt SEEM (based on what I've read) like it will make a major difference to your engine in the long run as long as it's maintained well.
Sorry for being so obvious. I was just trying to sum up what I read.... showing that I'm learning from this site. Hey, if I learned something that was wrong then correct me politely in the futute!
You're very welcome, Mr. Obvious.
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Another lesson one must learn on their own is figuring out which posters to listen to on these boards. There are the posters here that think they know something by the measure of their post counts. It doesn't take long to figure those posters out who know their **** compared to those that like to just blow ****.
tell me about it.
this thread is here for so long that some of the members already MIA -_-
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The S1 engine failure issues are due to the oil metering system and not the oil used. The oil being used in the car has absolutely no effect on those failures. Why some people are so moronic that they blame the oil brand they are using when they have a problem is about as stupid as blaming their paint when they get in a wreck. It makes no sense. The reality is that ALL S1 Renesis engines get inadequate lubrication to the center of the apex seals. This is not to say that all S1 Renesis engines are going to fail though. Not at all. It does explain why there is a disparity in gas mileage and dyno power measured and also does explain why some engines fail for no apparent reason. This is that apparent reason.
The S2 engines have proper lubrication to the center of the seal and as such don't have the issues that the S1 engines have. Coincedence? I think not!
I know some people are going to say that they premixed, used only 10W40 synthetic oil, changed it every 3000 miles, and still had an engine issue. It happens! Those people were the unfortunate tiny statistic associated with failures that all engines see from time to time.
Now who missed that?
better keep it that way or you will ruin your record No joke! There really is zero argument about oils in rotaries anymore. All of the facts are out there and everything has been completely explained. There are NO lingering oil questions at all. None! Some people are just too damned lazy or stubborn to read and half of them that do read apparently lack the mental comprehension to understand what words arranged together to make up a sentence actually mean something. Instead many of these people believe some hourly wage dumbfuck kid at a dealership who only knows how to read a computer monitor or believe a bs tech statement written by a lawyer and an accountant.
The S1 engine failure issues are due to the oil metering system and not the oil used. The oil being used in the car has absolutely no effect on those failures. Why some people are so moronic that they blame the oil brand they are using when they have a problem is about as stupid as blaming their paint when they get in a wreck. It makes no sense. The reality is that ALL S1 Renesis engines get inadequate lubrication to the center of the apex seals. This is not to say that all S1 Renesis engines are going to fail though. Not at all. It does explain why there is a disparity in gas mileage and dyno power measured and also does explain why some engines fail for no apparent reason. This is that apparent reason.
The S2 engines have proper lubrication to the center of the seal and as such don't have the issues that the S1 engines have. Coincedence? I think not!
The S1 engine failure issues are due to the oil metering system and not the oil used. The oil being used in the car has absolutely no effect on those failures. Why some people are so moronic that they blame the oil brand they are using when they have a problem is about as stupid as blaming their paint when they get in a wreck. It makes no sense. The reality is that ALL S1 Renesis engines get inadequate lubrication to the center of the apex seals. This is not to say that all S1 Renesis engines are going to fail though. Not at all. It does explain why there is a disparity in gas mileage and dyno power measured and also does explain why some engines fail for no apparent reason. This is that apparent reason.
The S2 engines have proper lubrication to the center of the seal and as such don't have the issues that the S1 engines have. Coincedence? I think not!
*sigh*
its funny that people just won't believe the proof, instead they rather trust some dude down the block who probably never seen a Rotary engine in his/her life.
Was talking to my friend the other day, he was talking about the FC that he had (S4 I assumed) abouot 10-12 yrs ago, used, pretty beat up crap.
for some reason it won't idle correctly, burns a lot of oil and some crap he can't remember. he took it to one of his "trusted" garage, the "owners" and "tech" there "told him" it needs a TIMING BELT ... and some other ****, and he paid like 1.1 K for it.
He told me that story couple weeks ago I was like WHHHHHHAAAATTT ? TIMING BELT ? There ain't no ******* Timing belt in a Rotary Engine
He was like ..........
I guess the garage made some pretty good money outa him.
he said about 4 days later they gave him back the car, said "timing belt replaced", but the car still ran like **** (duh), then shortly after he junk yard it and got really piseed about Rotary Engine. of course he never went to that place ever again. but still 1.1K gone.
This is what happens when you put too much "trust" into your local "garage/tech/master tech" guy.
I know some people are going to say that they premixed, used only 10W40 synthetic oil, changed it every 3000 miles, and still had an engine issue. It happens! Those people were the unfortunate tiny statistic associated with failures that all engines see from time to time.
Now who missed that?
Now who missed that?
I guess Im one of the VERY unfortunate ...
I mean I got a replacement for free not complaining about that but ... *sob*
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