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Old Apr 8, 2012 | 09:41 AM
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removed mine today, had to do like the OP in the 1st post, im unable to remove the 2 bolts on the header with my tools...bolts are rusty too and my 10mm box slips on the nut...
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Old Apr 14, 2012 | 09:12 AM
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Where do you buy this Air Pump Delete plate?
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Old Apr 14, 2012 | 09:21 AM
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You can buy it from Racing Beat. I made my own bracket to fit over the top of where the solenoid goes alike to the OP since I couldn't remove the nuts below down on the exhaust. It's up for a few bucks in my FS thread.

https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-parts-sale-wanted-44/%2Afeeler%2A-aftermarket-parts-more-partout-231541/
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Old Apr 14, 2012 | 11:18 AM
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Found it. Should have searched a bit more before I asked.
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Old Apr 14, 2012 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ZacZapper
Found it. Should have searched a bit more before I asked.
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Old May 31, 2012 | 04:36 PM
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Since I installed an OBX header, I am guessing I have no need for the air pump and just remove it and that would get rid of the CEL. That is what I am gathering from reading the whole thread. Thoughts please before I move forward.
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Old May 31, 2012 | 04:39 PM
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Just because you have an OBX header doesn't mean you don't need the air pump. You will still get the CEL if you remove it.
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Old May 31, 2012 | 04:44 PM
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The air pump is for emissions and improving the life of your cat, those of us without cat's have no need for it.

A header has nothing to do with the airpump's purpose.
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Old May 31, 2012 | 09:51 PM
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The OBX header has no holes for the air pump. Oh I also have a RP high flow cat. Hmm..
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Old May 31, 2012 | 09:56 PM
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You sure you have the OBX?

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Old May 31, 2012 | 10:20 PM
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Disconnect the air pump at the connector closest to the side of the car, it is a red connector on my car. Air pump is in box in garage, has been for some time, no CEL. The tip is buried in hosts here, I did not invent it, I just followed it.
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Old May 31, 2012 | 10:34 PM
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I have this one.

https://www.rx8club.com/west-sale-wanted-145/obx-header-exhaust-manifold-rx-8-2004-up-%2Anew-%24100-231180/
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Old Jun 1, 2012 | 01:05 AM
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If you simply unplug the air pump and remove it you should get a CEL (unless you are tuned VIA a COBB AP and it's blocked), if you do not then you are just lucky.
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Old Jun 1, 2012 | 01:34 AM
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Air pump works when water temp is below 35°C.
Before you reach 35°C, car is in open loop and very rich, like 11.0 AFR when idle, so air pump helps burn all that fuel.
When water temp reaches 35°C, air pump shuts down and car goes in closed loop.

If air pump is working, then front lambda sensor reads a "false" AFR of 18.5 - 19.0, cause pump is throwing air just before the sensor.

If ECU sees this "false" AFR, then it knows that air pump is working, so no CEL.

If air pump doesn't work, lambda reads "true" AFR, like 11.0 as I wrote... ECU then sees this "true" AFR and if AFR stays near 11.0 for a bunch of seconds then ECU says "too rich, air pump isn't working" and throws CEL P0410. Sometimes if doesn't throw the CEL simply cause you start the car, put in gear and go immediately. Engine gets obviously a little more air than idle to burn fuel, AFR goes up a little (like 12.0-12.5) and ECU does not think that air pump isn't working.

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Old Jun 1, 2012 | 02:09 AM
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^ what he said
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Old Jun 1, 2012 | 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
If you simply unplug the air pump and remove it you should get a CEL (unless you are tuned VIA a COBB AP and it's blocked), if you do not then you are just lucky.
And you will fail emissions unless you live in a state like AL who do not require emissions tests. Technically not having the air pump won't hurt anything, it will just throw a CEL.
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Old Jun 1, 2012 | 02:14 AM
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But the worst part is you will not have the airplane jet-engine start-up anymore
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Old Jun 1, 2012 | 08:56 AM
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Thank you everyone for your input. This is why I love this place.
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Old Jun 1, 2012 | 06:54 PM
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I pulled mine a year ago, never got a CEL, never masked anything.

I read here someplace that there are two places to disconnect. One close to the fender, red connector, and one closer to the pump. The theory is that if you pull the one closest to the fender, car does not even think it has one and no CEL.

just saying....
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Old Jun 1, 2012 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 04Green
I pulled mine a year ago, never got a CEL, never masked anything.

I read here someplace that there are two places to disconnect. One close to the fender, red connector, and one closer to the pump. The theory is that if you pull the one closest to the fender, car does not even think it has one and no CEL.

just saying....

You are running a MM tune so it's blocked, all emissions related codes are blocked IIRC. From day one mine was pulled completely removing all the wing back to that red connector and I had a CEL since day one until I blocked the code(s) on the Cobb.
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Old Jun 8, 2012 | 08:03 AM
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I just did my pump delete yesterday at work, it's not the prettiest cover plate, but it works.
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Old Aug 18, 2012 | 08:47 PM
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anyone have a step by step with pictures on how to remove this?
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Old Aug 18, 2012 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by izombie
anyone have a step by step with pictures on how to remove this?
see post #5.

1) remove everything in box #1, and parts 7,8,9,10.
2) replace part #10 with a block off plate.
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Old Mar 7, 2013 | 07:05 PM
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My take:

Custom Fuel Pump Resistor bracket


Custom MOP driver bracket


Yay

Last edited by paimon.soror; Mar 7, 2013 at 07:46 PM.
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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 02:43 PM
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Upon removing the pump, is it advisable to put a vacuum cap on the nipple where the hose connects to the engine?
I noticed in OP's picture the hose is just chilling there open...
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