olddragger

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i havent heard anyone say whether or not the ppf changes sides with this swap. Does anyone know?
I also wonder if the ppf DOESNT swap sides then how much better the trans would be?
OD

expo1

Is the PPF different on a AT? Reason I ask if you remember Mazmart had a wrecked AT 09 RX-8 inside the shop. They could compare the two?

swoope

iTrader: (5)

wow,

i guess i am the only one that reads this stuff and retains stuff..

from what i gather.

the 09 is a direct bolt on.. the ppf is on the other side.

to mean that is the 09 tranny fits just fine with the pre 09 ppf and exhaust..

so the 09 ppf and exhaust are different..

so the question is does the tranny solve the problem, or is the ppf on the other side we cant use, solve the problem?

just thinking out loud!

bet it is a bit of both.

beers

Razz1

We keep loosing brain cells from drinking beer.

olddragger

iTrader: (3)

that is one thought i have been thinking also!! Many sources tell me the side the ppf is on makes a lot of difference. Mazda didnt change it without a reason.
SO i am thinking.....................
OD

ASH8

Don't forget there is also a 3 mm spacer between bell and rear housing to cover up some 6-10mm gaps..if your want to put an 09 (man) on a Series I.

swoope

iTrader: (5)

wow,

you did some searching on the mazda side. guess my pm reply makes sense?

btw, in public thanks so much for all the 09 info. it is likely to force me into car payments again!

beers

ASH8

OK Power Plant Frame...

There is no change from the 08 (Last Series I RX-8 Manual Trans) to the latest Manual 09 RX-8.

The 09 Auto (6 speed) has a different PPF Part Number Listing to the Manual.

The Series I for Australia uses the same PPF for Manual and Auto Trans (we only had the 4 speed Auto).
This would also apply to the US 4 speed Auto and Manual using the same PPF.

Series II we now have the 6 speed Auto with it's own PPF like the US.

Hope that makes sense.

ASH8

The PPF on the Series II still bolts onto the trans and diff housings on the Left Hand side of the Car...the same as Series I.
It is the exact same PPF.

swoope

iTrader: (5)

this is interesting to see in black and white.

you should us plug side or exhaust side. as left and right gets messed up. i know where you are. and i think about that stuff..

give me a few, and i will have a link to the stuff i read about the change..

beers

ASH8

Here is the 2003 Series I PPF, still mounts on the left side as 09..

Check out the Part Numbers for the last 08 and 09, they are the same.

ASH8

The left side of the diagram is always pointing to the Front of the Car, so you are viewing the Spark plug, starter side of the US Drivers side or Australian Passenger side of car.

swoope

iTrader: (5)

ah,

seems like it was mentioned. but i thought it happended...

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...mission&page=4

lots of good info.. but i do know the exhaust changed.. which led me to think the ppf changed..

so i cant wait to get under one.. !

beers

ASH8

It can be a little strange when looking at the part diagrams which are always extremely accurate...

Scott, I just went out and checked my car (09 man) with a torch and it looks like the Parts Manual.

The part numbers are the same for S1 and S2 manuals from about 2007 ~ and I think the original (03) superceeds to the new one..F151-39-710K ( F goes to a G at a chassis # change, the J (2007)goes to a K as used in S1 (2007) and S2 Manual Trans.

swoope

iTrader: (5)

kinda.

but dark here and down under at the same time not so much..

my guess is tq transfer.. but maybe seal will chime in on this issue..

wow, fun to fine silly stuff like this!

beers

ASH8

The exhaust system...

Yes there have been changes, they both still have a 3 piece system (Genuine)..

The Cat and pipe has changed, but IMO only because there are changes to the O2 sensor...perhaps a more reliable, slightly larger and better quality O2 Sensor.

The Cat back pipe has changed part numbers , But again the style and look/design is the same.
Gaskets or O rings are the same, they also have the same 6 rubber exhaust system hangers for both series.

The rear Silencer/muffler has changed also, and don't forget Mazda made the Outlet (Chrome ones) larger in diameter (Fake appearance only).
That change alone also constitutes a change in part number over the old, and it still could probably fit the Series I ...

ASH8

There is a plate on the Diff on S2, Highlighted in Red, that is not shown on the S1 Diagram.
Scott can you check if your 8 has this small plate.

olddragger

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I thought the ppf had changed sides---who was it that said that!!!!!
design is different--looks lighter?
Damn---makes this a mute question
thanks for the clarification Man.
Been a big help to us.
Rotor on mate
OD

ASH8

No problem OD, Happy to help anyone with a parts inquirey...

I was thinking of starting an RX-8 Parts Help THREAD (or any Mazda), or for RX-8 owners, with diagrams, do you think it would work and be a good idea?..

They ask, I supply the info, to their question...type of thing.

I think I have covered ALL the mechanical changes to the Series II in my thread, apart from the obvious BODY or Cosmetic changes...

Ash

swoope

iTrader: (5)

that came from reading between the lines on the 09 tranny thead i linked..

ash.. do me a favor drop me a email to screen name at gmail. and remind me. i am going to be under the car all weekend!

beers

olddragger

iTrader: (3)

I know why!!
Ash --sure would--you are getting a fair number of hits already.
OD