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Old 04-19-2009, 03:18 PM
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I was talking to my friend yesterday and came unto the topic of shortening my rear gears. I had never heard of it before but so far all I know is that you gain major torque. Would this be a good idea? "Shortening rear end gears" is what it was called. Anyone done this?
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Originally Posted by turbovtec
I was talking to my friend yesterday and came unto the topic of shortening my rear gears. I had never heard of it before but so far all I know is that you gain major torque. Would this be a good idea? "Shortening rear end gears" is what it was called. Anyone done this?
This is a common mod done on any car really (hell, l did it on my V8 commodore, and that had a hell of alot of torque).

The '09's come stock with a diff ratio of 4.77, while l believe the 04's -08's have a 4.44 (unless you have the base model non-lsd, not sure what ratio they are).

If your interested, mazmart sell's the diff l believe...
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Japan Parts sells them as well, and you can probably order them from a local Mazda (but I'm not sure about this)
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how much money do you think it would be installed? estimateee
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so you wanna go from a 4.77 to a 4.44? i'll trade you my 4.44 for your 4.77.
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how is the 4.44? do you feel a difference? how much torque do you think you gained?
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Originally Posted by turbovtec
how is the 4.44? do you feel a difference? how much torque do you think you gained?
With a 4.44, you would have less torque...

What model do you have anyway? As previously stated:
2004 - 2008 = 4.44 ratio
2009 = 4.777....
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Originally Posted by 2SeeKU
With a 4.44, you would have less torque...

What model do you have anyway? As previously stated:
2004 - 2008 = 4.44 ratio
2009 = 4.777....
really you less acceleration.. and less mpg.

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I have the 2004. so I want the 4.777..
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hold on im really confused.. which is better. 4.4 or 4.7? to gain torque..
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you dont gain tourqe.

you gain leverage with the 4.77 the car will accelerate faster.

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As you know, an engine’s output is rated in horsepower and torque. Torque is pulling power, and it’s best demonstrated as the grunt that gets you moving, while horsepower is what keeps you going.

Without sounding like your high-school physics teacher, torque is the twisting force created in an engine by rotating parts; horsepower is the measurement of how fast torque is being used. Horsepower and torque work hand-in-hand, as horsepower is calculated from torque.

For the average buyer, torque shouldn’t be a deciding factor unless you know you’ll be towing or hauling heavy loads. And that’s where high-torque vehicles will thrive, driving while towing a trailer or maxing out cargo capacity. It will be easier to accelerate and sustain speed with a high-torque car in any situation, but especially with heavy loads.

High-performance cars can also produce gobs of torque that greatly aid in acceleration. That feeling of your eyeballs being sucked into the back of your head in a fast car during heavy right-foot pounding is an example of excessive torque.
Hope that helps
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Originally Posted by swoope
you dont gain tourqe.

you gain leverage with the 4.77 the car will accelerate faster.

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Ahuh, simply put, you could say your just moving the powerband closer to the lower revs, right?

-turbovtec: keep in mind, what you "gain" down low, you could loose up top. This is why l don't see the point of the swap to 4.77, but then again, l don't race the car...

.. l might see why Mazda decided to go with the 4.777, surely it would have already been posted!
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You will have a higher gasoline consumption with the 4.77 gearing at highway speeds and your cruise controls will not work anymore.
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Why would the cruise stop working??
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for the 04~06 4 speed AT, is 4.33, not 4.44
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so mines 4.33?? I want 4.77 so i have more low end than top end. How much would a 4.77 be? installation? Mainly because my acceleration is so bad. Improved 0-60 but then freeway would be much worst. In your opinion guys should i stay as is or go to 4.77?

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Go to 4.77 if you have the auto version. The gears are already super tall
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The parts from Mazparts are $845. That is the final drive gears only, you have to remove the pumpkin and replace them. Cruise would still work, but your speedo would be incorrect unless you adjusted the ecu,You can do that with a Cobb AP.
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