How much RWHP will I have?
10-27-2008, 09:44 AM
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I would listen to Mysql about the fuel pump and the ignition. For the ignition, there is a better preformer ( cough BHR, cough) for less cost, that dosen't require a diffrent tune that adjusts the dwell of the ignition coils.
The Mazsport coils have diffrent dwell than the stock coils that does not play very well with FI'd applications.
Now since you have the AP, and if MM (assuming you purchased it from him) is NOT Aware of the Ignition coils you are using, when he sends the FI'd maps to you, you WILL have problems.
Also invest the money into the BHR AT Radiator, and a second oil cooler.
My first oil cooler bypass valve falied shut, but thats another thread.
The AT will put down more Tq at the same psi than a MT using the same turbo.
Simply,
I would listen to Mysql about the fuel pump and the ignition. For the ignition, there is a better preformer ( cough BHR, cough) for less cost, that dosen't require a diffrent tune that adjusts the dwell of the ignition coils.
The Mazsport coils have diffrent dwell than the stock coils that does not play very well with FI'd applications.
Now since you have the AP, and if MM (assuming you purchased it from him) is NOT Aware of the Ignition coils you are using, when he sends the FI'd maps to you, you WILL have problems.
Also invest the money into the BHR AT Radiator, and a second oil cooler.
My first oil cooler bypass valve falied shut, but thats another thread.
The AT will put down more Tq at the same psi than a MT using the same turbo.
10-27-2008, 10:19 AM
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Simply,
I would listen to Mysql about the fuel pump and the ignition. For the ignition, there is a better preformer ( cough BHR, cough) for less cost, that dosen't require a diffrent tune that adjusts the dwell of the ignition coils.
The Mazsport coils have diffrent dwell than the stock coils that does not play very well with FI'd applications.
Now since you have the AP, and if MM (assuming you purchased it from him) is NOT Aware of the Ignition coils you are using, when he sends the FI'd maps to you, you WILL have problems.
Also invest the money into the BHR AT Radiator, and a second oil cooler.
My first oil cooler bypass valve falied shut, but thats another thread.
The AT will put down more Tq at the same psi than a MT using the same turbo.
Simply,
I would listen to Mysql about the fuel pump and the ignition. For the ignition, there is a better preformer ( cough BHR, cough) for less cost, that dosen't require a diffrent tune that adjusts the dwell of the ignition coils.
The Mazsport coils have diffrent dwell than the stock coils that does not play very well with FI'd applications.
Now since you have the AP, and if MM (assuming you purchased it from him) is NOT Aware of the Ignition coils you are using, when he sends the FI'd maps to you, you WILL have problems.
Also invest the money into the BHR AT Radiator, and a second oil cooler.
My first oil cooler bypass valve falied shut, but thats another thread.
The AT will put down more Tq at the same psi than a MT using the same turbo.
Regarding the Mazsport upgraded fuel pump and ignition, it appears that yes some people have had problems with both, but many people haven't had issues. I will keep it in the back of my mind though, and talk more to Ray and Erick about it when they get here.
10-28-2008, 02:51 PM
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And boy, I can't wait to get it!!
10-28-2008, 03:16 PM
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UPDATE
I spoke with Scott @ Mazsport yesterday and he told me (Scott - correct me if I misquote, I should have wrote this down when it was still in my mind yesterday) I will get ~270whp @ 14 psi. He said that due to the fact that it is a 4 port automatic, I already have a lot less power to work with. He said that most of the turbo kits he's sold to automatic owners have gone to Europe, and he hasn't received or done any dynos on AT RX-8s with his turbo kit.
Assuming my AT RX-8 gets 140whp right now, that's almost double the hp to the wheels. From his sig, 09Factor is getting "185 HP and 242 Tq @ 2800 RPM @ 5 psi" with the GReddy turbo, I know you can't compare turbo to turbo hp for hp, but if you could that would be 353ft-lb torque.
One other thing to note, the 270whp is at 14psi, I doubt I am so daring. I will probably never venture above 8psi, and in fact I'll probably be content at 6psi. Even with Water Injection using the AEM meth kit, I just don't think it's worth the risk of trying to run my car at 14psi.
At this point I just want the temps to stay low, fluids to flow, and my AT to go go go!!
What's funny is the that some MT can get over 400whp with turbo and us AT, despite all that we may do, will likely never get to 300whp. I'll try to do a dyno after everything is installed and tuned - that's the only way I'll know for sure.
I spoke with Scott @ Mazsport yesterday and he told me (Scott - correct me if I misquote, I should have wrote this down when it was still in my mind yesterday) I will get ~270whp @ 14 psi. He said that due to the fact that it is a 4 port automatic, I already have a lot less power to work with. He said that most of the turbo kits he's sold to automatic owners have gone to Europe, and he hasn't received or done any dynos on AT RX-8s with his turbo kit.
Assuming my AT RX-8 gets 140whp right now, that's almost double the hp to the wheels. From his sig, 09Factor is getting "185 HP and 242 Tq @ 2800 RPM @ 5 psi" with the GReddy turbo, I know you can't compare turbo to turbo hp for hp, but if you could that would be 353ft-lb torque.
One other thing to note, the 270whp is at 14psi, I doubt I am so daring. I will probably never venture above 8psi, and in fact I'll probably be content at 6psi. Even with Water Injection using the AEM meth kit, I just don't think it's worth the risk of trying to run my car at 14psi.
At this point I just want the temps to stay low, fluids to flow, and my AT to go go go!!
What's funny is the that some MT can get over 400whp with turbo and us AT, despite all that we may do, will likely never get to 300whp. I'll try to do a dyno after everything is installed and tuned - that's the only way I'll know for sure.
10-28-2008, 05:38 PM
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I spoke with Scott @ Mazsport yesterday and he told me (Scott - correct me if I misquote, I should have wrote this down when it was still in my mind yesterday) I will get ~270whp @ 14 psi. He said that due to the fact that it is a 4 port automatic, I already have a lot less power to work with. He said that most of the turbo kits he's sold to automatic owners have gone to Europe, and he hasn't received or done any dynos on AT RX-8s with his turbo kit.
Assuming my AT RX-8 gets 140whp right now, that's almost double the hp to the wheels. From his sig, 09Factor is getting "185 HP and 242 Tq @ 2800 RPM @ 5 psi" with the GReddy turbo, I know you can't compare turbo to turbo hp for hp, but if you could that would be 353ft-lb torque.
One other thing to note, the 270whp is at 14psi, I doubt I am so daring. I will probably never venture above 8psi, and in fact I'll probably be content at 6psi. Even with Water Injection using the AEM meth kit, I just don't think it's worth the risk of trying to run my car at 14psi.
At this point I just want the temps to stay low, fluids to flow, and my AT to go go go!!
What's funny is the that some MT can get over 400whp with turbo and us AT, despite all that we may do, will likely never get to 300whp. I'll try to do a dyno after everything is installed and tuned - that's the only way I'll know for sure.
I spoke with Scott @ Mazsport yesterday and he told me (Scott - correct me if I misquote, I should have wrote this down when it was still in my mind yesterday) I will get ~270whp @ 14 psi. He said that due to the fact that it is a 4 port automatic, I already have a lot less power to work with. He said that most of the turbo kits he's sold to automatic owners have gone to Europe, and he hasn't received or done any dynos on AT RX-8s with his turbo kit.
Assuming my AT RX-8 gets 140whp right now, that's almost double the hp to the wheels. From his sig, 09Factor is getting "185 HP and 242 Tq @ 2800 RPM @ 5 psi" with the GReddy turbo, I know you can't compare turbo to turbo hp for hp, but if you could that would be 353ft-lb torque.
One other thing to note, the 270whp is at 14psi, I doubt I am so daring. I will probably never venture above 8psi, and in fact I'll probably be content at 6psi. Even with Water Injection using the AEM meth kit, I just don't think it's worth the risk of trying to run my car at 14psi.
At this point I just want the temps to stay low, fluids to flow, and my AT to go go go!!
What's funny is the that some MT can get over 400whp with turbo and us AT, despite all that we may do, will likely never get to 300whp. I'll try to do a dyno after everything is installed and tuned - that's the only way I'll know for sure.
Presure is just that, Pressure. It boils down to Lb of air flow of the turbo.
10-29-2008, 06:19 AM
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.................................What's funny is the that some MT can get over 400whp with turbo and us AT, despite all that we may do, will likely never get to 300whp. I'll try to do a dyno after everything is installed and tuned - that's the only way I'll know for sure.
10-29-2008, 06:28 AM
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So it's a give or take in terms of how long it will last, the 4 port will last longer because we can't abuse it as much as we can abuse the 6 port.
10-29-2008, 06:55 AM
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Now I hope I did not give that impression. I honestly wish that the 4 port AT trans was compatible with the 6 port engine. For me that would be the best of both worlds, the better AT trans and the engine with more power and power potential. As far as abuse, they both are susceptible to misuse, over heating and inadequate oiling. While I feel the 4 port AT trans will handle 300hp, I would not feel comfortable with it trying to handle more. We'll have to wait until someone with a 6 AT gets his up to 400hp and see how the 6 AT trans will perform.
10-29-2008, 09:30 AM
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Now I hope I did not give that impression. I honestly wish that the 4 port AT trans was compatible with the 6 port engine. For me that would be the best of both worlds, the better AT trans and the engine with more power and power potential. As far as abuse, they both are susceptible to misuse, over heating and inadequate oiling. While I feel the 4 port AT trans will handle 300hp, I would not feel comfortable with it trying to handle more. We'll have to wait until someone with a 6 AT gets his up to 400hp and see how the 6 AT trans will perform.
But then again, I don't know about the 6 port getting the same gains as the 4 port, because the 6 port already has more cc's of fuel going into the engine, and I'm upgrading the fuel injectors. Since the 6 port already puts more cc's of fuel in that the 4, upgrading to the amount that the 4 upgrades to puts them now equal... Then using the same turbo, all other components the same except the fact that it's a 6 port & has the 6 speed tranny. I doubt the gap would by 30hp, and I seriously doubt the gap would be 100hp.
But I don't know for sure because I'm not a pro by any stretch or even a mechanic by any definition. I'm just going off of figures others have presented and some basic logics, though logic is sometimes flawed.
And speculation doesn't count for anything - the only way we will know for sure is when a 4AT dynos @ 300whp and a 6AT with same mods - or hell any mods - dynos @ or + 300whp.
Everyone seems afraid to turbo their AT, coupled with the fact that EVERY TIME someone asks a "how can I get more power out of my AT" their question is answered with "n00b trade in y0R sux0r autotrajicz and get a MANUAL!!" It'd just be nice for us AT, regardless if we're 4AT or 6AT, to post some respectable HP #s, and I think 300whp would show all the MT owners that the AT are still fast and worthwhile - you can have your pie and eat it too.
10-29-2008, 07:12 PM
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The 6port motor has 2100 cc of fuel delievery, the 4 port has 1570.
Upgrade the 4port inj's to equal 2100 cc's of fuel the power output will be close to a turbo'd 6port.
But then the VE's of the motor rear their ugly heads
and start messing with the power that can be produced from the motor.
10-30-2008, 06:34 AM
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That comment is usually mabe by those are narrow minded in believing that an autotrajicz has no place being in a "sports car". Also it come from a group that dosen't know what TorqueFlyte (sp?) tranny is.
Nicely put, you must be running for office
The 6port motor has 2100 cc of fuel delievery, the 4 port has 1570.
Upgrade the 4port inj's to equal 2100 cc's of fuel the power output will be close to a turbo'd 6port.
But then the VE's of the motor rear their ugly heads and start messing with the power that can be produced from the motor.
Nicely put, you must be running for office
The 6port motor has 2100 cc of fuel delievery, the 4 port has 1570.
Upgrade the 4port inj's to equal 2100 cc's of fuel the power output will be close to a turbo'd 6port.
But then the VE's of the motor rear their ugly heads
and start messing with the power that can be produced from the motor.Last edited by Phil's 8; 10-30-2008 at 06:40 AM.
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10-30-2008, 12:22 PM
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You guys are hilarious :-) I don't know who is more excited at this point, Phil or myself.
Phil because Ray is rebuilding his engine, and he'll have his kick *** s/c ride back
Or me because Ray/Erick are going to come "throw sum D's on that b!tch" sittin in my garage :D :D :D
Phil because Ray is rebuilding his engine, and he'll have his kick *** s/c ride back
Or me because Ray/Erick are going to come "throw sum D's on that b!tch" sittin in my garage :D :D :D