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Old 03-25-2008, 08:44 AM
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A t56 transmission swap will hit pretty hard on the pocket. So if you really want it this is a realistic cash nr..
Trany used or nearly new 1000.00
Clutch kit twin plate custom flywheel 1500.00
Custom transmission adapter 1000.00
Custom drive shaft 800.00.
And labor 500.00 easy.
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Old 03-25-2008, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
Guess what? I am sponsoring an RX-8 drift car that already has one on the back of a 20B. I am sure I can get them for the Renesis, too.
Yeah, I remember. Shoot me a price in PM if one becomes available!
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The FD trannies are 5 speed, correct? What would be the highway cruising RPM for the 8 with the FD trans?
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stock rx8 transmissions? rather than power, I measure it in time. Mine started having grinding issues at 32,000 miles. And I had changed transmission fluid once a year and never dropped the clutch on it.
That is scary and that sucks. I always thought it was more of a power issue, which can make sense and understandable. From your statement, however, our tranny is damn weak.

What about the "cure" for the automatic transmission? It always urked me that Mazda could not figure out how to get a high RPM and high stall transmission. Of course, I think they should have went semi-automatic and just made 1 transmission type.

What about a 4L60E or 4L80E automatic? Even something crazy, like turning the automatic into a semi-automatic. Or some secret of the auto RX-7 turbo folks....

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That is scary and that sucks. I always thought it was more of a power issue, which can make sense and understandable. From your statement, however, our tranny is damn weak.

What about the "cure" for the automatic transmission? It always urked me that Mazda could not figure out how to get a high RPM and high stall transmission. Of course, I think they should have went semi-automatic and just made 1 transmission type.

What about a 4L60E or 4L80E automatic? Even something crazy, like turning the automatic into a semi-automatic. Or some secret of the auto RX-7 turbo folks....
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Originally Posted by sosonic
That is scary and that sucks. I always thought it was more of a power issue, which can make sense and understandable. From your statement, however, our tranny is damn weak.

What about the "cure" for the automatic transmission? It always urked me that Mazda could not figure out how to get a high RPM and high stall transmission. Of course, I think they should have went semi-automatic and just made 1 transmission type.

What about a 4L60E or 4L80E automatic? Even something crazy, like turning the automatic into a semi-automatic. Or some secret of the auto RX-7 turbo folks....
I assume Mazda wanted to cut corners and told Aisin that :

"Hey Aisin, look we dont need some indestructible stuff like the FD one, Just give us something that works and wont break that easily, does not have to be long life, just something that wont break in 3-4 years of normal use. After 3-4 yrs, who cares, u get money, I get money(rebuild/new tranny). Win-Win"

I'll just wait for BHR/Aisin upgrade tranny ... lets just hope that it wont cost us an arm and leg thats about it
Old 03-25-2008, 11:45 PM
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Which ever you can get to market quickest is best for some of us. I'm getting REALLY tired of double-clutching every damned shift, but certainly don't want to stick another stock transmission in the car.
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i dont wanna sound like a noob (even though i am) but what is a t56 tranny and an aisin
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Originally Posted by tunerwannab
i dont wanna sound like a noob (even though i am) but what is a t56 tranny and an aisin
T56 tranny's are used on many domestic cars (Dodge Viper, Chevy Corvette Z06, Ford SVT Mustang Cobra, Aston Martin DB7 Vantage and V12 Vanquish)

Aisin AZ6 tranny's are used in (Mazda Miata/MX-5/Roadster, Mazda RX-8, Toyota Altezza/Lexus IS200)
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charles- the Tranny stuff isnt in the PCM- its in a seperate can module that communicates info to the PCM
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the t56 may handle the power but the shift quality was lacking on my last car. I'd would rather a strengthened standard transmission.
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Aisin screwed up on our tranny, well, I should say Mazda screwed it up. Cuz I dont think this tranny is good enough for Rx-8
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Old 03-27-2008, 04:25 PM
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I thought this is the "ultimate" transmission. Why not just contact Xtrac and have them manufacture a magnesium clutch housing to mate up to their 6 speed sequential inline sports car gearboxes
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The OE tranny on the '04 - '07 RX-8s is the same tranny on the '99 - 2005 Miatas.
Its good out to about 300 HP max.
Most of the insides are so soft you can bend them by hand.
I don't know what Mazda was thinking.
That said, I'm still on my first tranny and it is just starting to have problems hitting 4th at high RPMs.

I have an FD tranny in my yard.
At some point, I'll break it down and freshen it up (or, better yet, send some cash to our friend Karl since he is WAY better at it than me) and throw it in the car.
The only tricks should be the output-to-driveshaft yoke, the PPF mount and the bell housing swap.
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Yeah, I'll need assistance when I get them on the floor.

The change in drive ratios may be interesting for the PCM.
We'll see.
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I have nothing to constructive to add to this thread but I wanted to say
+1 to needing a replacement transmission.
When I say this it isn't a "would be nice" my 4th gear syncro is hosed.
I basically can't use 4th gear
I'm going to need a solution soon and frankly I'll try anything other than buying a new or used RX8 transmission. Upgraded Internals okay I'm good with that.

I would sooner use a rubber band and a paper plate for a drive line then buy another OEM tranny
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Originally Posted by nycgps
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"Hey Aisin, look we dont need some indestructible stuff like the FD one
Anyone that thinks the FD tranny was indestructible never owned a '93 FD...

I was not allowed by my synchros to shift in to 5th gear at redline. That's at about 100mph. There was a TSB on those too...
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Yeah, they aren't magical.
But they are geared better for turbo and they are built to take nearly twice the power that the Renesis makes stock.
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
Yeah, they aren't magical.
But they are geared better for turbo and they are built to take nearly twice the power that the Renesis makes stock.
Agreed. They are more appropriately geared. I imagine 1st gear is pretty difficult in a Turbo 8.
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Originally Posted by shaunv74
I imagine 1st gear is pretty difficult in a Turbo 8.
Its completely pointless.
I start in second most of the time these days.

Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
So ya go through the hassle installing the FD tranny so then when you get the most from your 3071 you STILL need another tranny?
Well, not the way I drive, but, yeah.
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charles- the Tranny stuff isnt in the PCM- its in a seperate can module that communicates info to the PCM
That needs to be really checked out. It would be great to get control of this in some way and make changes to that module.
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Originally Posted by zoom44
charles- the Tranny stuff isnt in the PCM- its in a seperate can module that communicates info to the PCM
Huh?

The tranny doesn't communicate anything. It just tells the PCM it is in gear or not and if the clutch is in or out.
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Well there is a reverse sensor. But that's just a red herring...
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Originally Posted by shaunv74
Well there is a reverse sensor. But that's just a red herring...
Yeah, the PCM just treats that as first gear.


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