TheTick

So is the SF system going to be a kit that we can install on our own or will we need a professional?

8inVegas

davefzr,
100 hp and 95 lb of torque gain? really?

davefzr

Yeah.. just quoting Rotoman......

assuming 200whp and 155tq base run...

It's probably more like 180whp base run since thats what most have gotten after a dyno.. but I gave it the benefit of the doubt...

Jarred

if those numbers are true thats pretty awsome.

Rxdriftingaction

300rwhp.. finally .. the day has come.. hahahaha... no more"need for speed" yelling

davefzr

I think I would be happy with 50 hp and 50 torque right at 4,000 rpm.... Thats where pettit said it kicked in..

With 300whp I bet you'll need to do some major upgrades to support all that power...

I went to a 1/4 mile dragway over at CA Speedway just a few weekends ago and saw 3 people in one day break a transmission.. axle.. or diff on the line.. it was ugly.. 300whp seems like a big freaking jump from 180 or even 200 for that matter....

Espeacilly for those of us who plan to visit the track regularly.. either 1/4 or road racing.. and push it....

but anyway.. time for bed

Jarred

I agree, I might look into the pettit, do you guys have a link?

I'm thinking less strain will also just improve the overall engine lifespan?

8inVegas

finally, we have reached 300 territory

Helmano

haha ya, i can't wait for these kits to come out. they both sound pretty good to me.

slavearm

Man... I bet with a port you would be looking at 325-350 territory..... yum yum gonna hafta get me sum.

Slavearm

Rxdriftingaction

I worry about lifespan too.. cuz my 8 is for daily drive. so.. lifespan is very important to me. I won't hope got a 300rwhp in a day. and 0 rwhp in otherday(engine dead) :p

shelleys_man_06

There is special maintenance that comes with forced induction, such as more frequent oil changes. I believe an turbocharged RX-8 can stand the test of time, as long as it's well taken care of. If you're going to beat the living crap out of your car, then it won't last long. I don't understand the concept of straining an engine? Don't engines desire more working fluid?

Jarred

well, the speedforce kit will be putting more pressure on the engine right?

heck, I don't know which one I'd go with....extra oil changes is ok with me, I don't tihnk I drive my car like a granny, but, I don't think i'm being super hard on it.

if any of you guys live in the LA area and you get your 8 tc/ or sc I'd gladly pay well over 100bucks to drive one in a parking lot or something.

davefzr

Hell yeah.. I am with you Jared.... There is probably a market for that somewhere haha....

Jarred

what do you mean by beat the crap outta it? ...I've never seen how other people drive their 8's, so...I' donno if I beat it or not.

how can you project that the renisis will stand the test of time? isn't it a new engine, and these are new turbochargers?

I just want a t.c. that's reliable, and performs great, I don't want something that sounds like a chopper either, I don't mind extra noise, but not so much I can't hear myself speaking. ...maybe i'm asking for too much.

is there a link to the 50h tc?

GeorgeH

iTrader: (2)

There are allot of unknowns when you go forced induction on a new system, like the Renesis. We'll find out over the next 12 months how much power it can make for a given tuning system (more powerful programmable ECUs generally make it safer to make big power). Assuming the engine is tuned well, it won't blow up, so then it's just a question of how long it lasts before loosing compression. There has been much discussion on this topic recently elswhere on this forum. Time will tell.

Something you do have control over is how hard you are on the drivetrain. If you go forced induction, and then routinely do agressive launches, hard power shifts, 2nd and 3rd gear scratches, etc, something in the drivetrain is bound to let go much sooner than you want. Again, we won't know until more people start running F/I, but even on a highly boosted car a bit of "mechanical empathy" will help preserve the life of the car.

George

punishr

To me it doesn't matter if the car has FI or not, if you routinely do agressive launches, hard power shifts, 2nd and 3rd gear scratches, etc, something in the drivetrain will let go much sooner than you want it to as well.

So I believe that if some of you are that worried about reliability then this is the wrong type of mod for you.

I myself, am concerned with reliability, but I also take very good care of my cars. I will do FI on my 8, and will love the benefits of having it, and if something happens to the car then I will get it fixed, and enjoy the benefits again. If the engine blows up, then I will replace it, if the drive train goes out, then I will replace it. I am going into this wanting more power for a reason, to be able to drive the car faster, on the track and off, so to be worried about reliability will only slow me down. Yes, I would love to have a FI car that can be driven as hard as you want and as nice as you want and it still last for very long periods of time(200000+miles), but we all know that is probably not going to happen. All mechanical parts break down at some point thier life, and if FI helps them to break down faster then that is just another part of the modification process that will allow me to purchase new and better mechanical parts that will last a little longer.

Jarred

I don't mind throwing some extra money into things if it breaks down etc, I just don't wanna buy a kit that puts too much strain on certain parts and blows up my engine in 50kmiles.

an extra 120hp at the wheels is quite a boost, and very impressive, although, as current reliability for the renisis is at question even in stock (simply because it's so new) I don't see how it's reliability can be projected after a large mod like the kit from SFR.

just my 2 cents, although I'm totally gonna buy it.

shelleys_man_06

Well, these kits are designed so your engine won't blow up. It takes a lot of research and development for turbo kits to come out. They have to work, they have to be legal (most of the time), they have to be able to increase power where the owner desires, and they require a long shelf life.

Like I said, if you drive hard all the time, then your engine is going to have the likelihood of failure sooner. I think these kits were designed for everyday use, and ease of installation, compared to a custom setup.

I'm going to repeat myself in saying you need to take care of your car, whether it's boosted or not. If you don't, then your car will die sooner.

I dream of a turbo setup, but something I know I designed myself, built myself, and controlled myself.

Aoshi Shinomori

I totally agree with Shellys, you need to take care of your car. I also agree with the fact that most companies will make products that work well and are at least somewhat reliable, especially companies with repuatations. If they made a product that caused all sorts of problems, and people started complaining, the company wouldn't be in business for very long, now would they? Though this kit is definitely tempting, I've really got my eyes on Richard's and Hymee's projects, but that doesn't mean I don't want to see a successful turbocharger with respectable gains.

Jarred

yeah what made me trust SFR more was that they already had plenty of kits made for other cars.

shelleys_man_06

My belief is that a turbo kit is only as reliable as its user.

Jarred

because companies NEVER produce bad products.

Jarred

whats the Ball-bearing turbo option? and is it worth the extra 600?

93silverFD

BB turbos last alot longer.

As for the Renesis, I would love to see someone rip the motor out and cut in a half bridge, 3mm seals, ported coolant passages, and maybe new IMs. Bigger throttle body, nice fuel pump with a return line, a standalone computer, 1600cc injectors, ign. amp, a front mount, and a ball bearing T-78.

Zoom Zoom, I'll keep dreaming.

If I had all that I guess I would have to sell the FD.