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12-23-2010, 11:50 AM
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a turbo'd car isn't simply "bolt on and go"
the greddy kit is an entry level system but it requires certain "fixes" to ensure reliability.
Also, there are no pre-made tunes for FI cars, you'll want to get a tuner to make you a flash for your particular setup.
use our search feature to read up on some of the greddy threads and the 'fixes' people recommend.
the greddy kit is an entry level system but it requires certain "fixes" to ensure reliability.
Also, there are no pre-made tunes for FI cars, you'll want to get a tuner to make you a flash for your particular setup.
use our search feature to read up on some of the greddy threads and the 'fixes' people recommend.
12-23-2010, 11:58 AM
#4
If you want to use the Cobb, there are some things you can do while installing kit to shorten tuning time.
Get injectors flow tested, get the MAF housing correct and if possible, get the Cobb and tune your MAF curve with the same housing you will have on turbo-ed car.
Start reading... and happy hunting.
Get injectors flow tested, get the MAF housing correct and if possible, get the Cobb and tune your MAF curve with the same housing you will have on turbo-ed car.
Start reading... and happy hunting.
12-23-2010, 07:13 PM
#5
I have done months of research and have installed turbos on hondas and other mazdas I know the greddy kit is a entry level kit I guess the real question I was asking is the FI reflash on the cobb access port is already on there or do I need to get a flash made... I have seen YouTube and been to mazdamaniac.com but I'm just not sure and was looking for guidance, thanks
12-23-2010, 08:40 PM
#6
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You need to get a baseline flash made for turbo. There is no included turbo map from Cobb.
-You can either do it yourself if you're capable.
-Purchase the tuning Service from Mazdamaniac and he has a baseline turbo tune and will perform remoting tuning via email. But this tune is locked so you can't just buy his baseline and then have it tuned locally.
-Find a tuning shop near you that has the Cobb tuning software and is familiar with turboing Rotaries and use them.
-You can either do it yourself if you're capable.
-Purchase the tuning Service from Mazdamaniac and he has a baseline turbo tune and will perform remoting tuning via email. But this tune is locked so you can't just buy his baseline and then have it tuned locally.
-Find a tuning shop near you that has the Cobb tuning software and is familiar with turboing Rotaries and use them.
12-23-2010, 10:10 PM
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aftermarket ECU?
WHY?! your research skills are either lacking or you didn't search as much as you claim.
with a reflash via the Cobb, there is no need for an aftermarket ECU. (there are none btw, other then stand alones)
WHY?! your research skills are either lacking or you didn't search as much as you claim.
with a reflash via the Cobb, there is no need for an aftermarket ECU. (there are none btw, other then stand alones)
12-23-2010, 10:19 PM
#9
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+1. Reprogramming the stock PCM will give you OEM quality performance and drivability up to 400hp and maintain all the OEM electronics.
A stand alone would be expensive and force you to figure out how to remove all the ABS, TCS, and DSC as well as all the gauges wouldn't work.
A stand alone would be expensive and force you to figure out how to remove all the ABS, TCS, and DSC as well as all the gauges wouldn't work.
12-23-2010, 10:31 PM
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Right. That's what we thought you meant. Most people have not needed a stand alone as the RX8 PCM is a very sophisticated piece of hardware that is very integrated into the chassis. I'd suggest you read up to find out exactly what you'd gain from a stand alone vs. the cost. I don't know enough about what a MoTec M800 could do for you over the stock PCM but the prevailing opinion is that it's not worth the hassle and cost.
12-24-2010, 02:46 AM
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ok and thanks again for the input, and I'm lookin for about 350 to the wheels it's gonna be a work on progress mainly because I'm deploying pretty soon and won't be able to do any work for awhile. thanks again for the input everybody
12-24-2010, 12:07 PM
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u guys could not do that kind of ****, yes im a beginner to the rx8 and no im not a beginner to other cars, yes im young but im not going to do anything until im 100% sure that i know what im doing, hence why i knew i would be flamed and that i made the mistake of having the ***** to post something that im sure is archived somewhere but i couldnt find. i thought this was a technical forum with people that are willing to help but guess not because in my research besides the build threads that have some of the same plans as mine my questions come from the little holes that need to be filled in my plans. the few that have actually hepled i thank you the rest if you dont like the thread dont post on it, why waste your time and mine if your not gonna be useful
12-24-2010, 12:49 PM
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The majority of Forced Induction RX-8's around here utilize an AP and all with great results, often times having ditched a prior stand alone in favor of the AP. (Int-X, Greddy E-manage, etc)
www.mazdamaniac.com is the exclusive AccessPORT distributor for the RX-8, that would be a good place to start.
12-24-2010, 01:25 PM
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taz, you have to realize that someone posts a "i'm going turbo" thread on a weekly basis. 99 percent of the threads are guys will never actually go FI and are just expressing their desire to do it without the funds or knowledge to actually do it.
What you should take away from all these replies is:
1. A Cobb AP will handle almost any tuning need you'll have for a FI car
2. There are many threads going into painfully exact detail about how to go from NA to FI
3. There is no need to reinvent the wheel and 350 HP is a very easy to achieve number (not with the stock greddy, but doing upgrade to it)
4. You said it yourself, the 8 is not like other cars so previous experience in going FI on other platforms will only give you mechanical skill, not practical skill
5. Read the major horsepower section a few times, take your time, figure out your budget, and plan a timeline for how you want to proceed.
6. Develop a very thick skin. No matter what you end up doing there will be people crapping on it if you post about it on a public board.
FYI, since you're new you won't realize how much of an Xmas gift my post is. I'm usually the one to see a thread started by someone who's done very little research and start the flaming. But i'm in the holiday spirit so i've given you some very good advice.
What you should take away from all these replies is:
1. A Cobb AP will handle almost any tuning need you'll have for a FI car
2. There are many threads going into painfully exact detail about how to go from NA to FI
3. There is no need to reinvent the wheel and 350 HP is a very easy to achieve number (not with the stock greddy, but doing upgrade to it)
4. You said it yourself, the 8 is not like other cars so previous experience in going FI on other platforms will only give you mechanical skill, not practical skill
5. Read the major horsepower section a few times, take your time, figure out your budget, and plan a timeline for how you want to proceed.
6. Develop a very thick skin. No matter what you end up doing there will be people crapping on it if you post about it on a public board.
FYI, since you're new you won't realize how much of an Xmas gift my post is. I'm usually the one to see a thread started by someone who's done very little research and start the flaming. But i'm in the holiday spirit so i've given you some very good advice.
12-24-2010, 02:24 PM
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If you are looking for the easiest, cheapest, and fastest way to have the car running correctly purchase the Cobb with tuning service from MazdaManiac. I have owned and operated a rotary shop for a long time, and I am speaking from a lot of experience with stand alone ECUs. Jeff just tuned a turbo Rx-8 we built with great results so far. He doesn't even have to be there in person to tune the car. He will be doing every system we build/sell.
12-24-2010, 02:51 PM
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If you are looking for the easiest, cheapest, and fastest way to have the car running correctly purchase the Cobb with tuning service from MazdaManiac. I have owned and operated a rotary shop for a long time, and I am speaking from a lot of experience with stand alone ECUs. Jeff just tuned a turbo Rx-8 we built with great results so far. He doesn't even have to be there in person to tune the car. He will be doing every system we build/sell.
I look forward to helping you and your customers in the future!
01-01-2011, 09:02 PM
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taz , believe those that tell you this is no cake walk . We've all seen dozens of people come on here with similar ambitions to yourself .
this is the normal run of events :
1/similar post to your first one
2/buy and fit turbo kit (often the fitting never happens)
3/run into extreme problems and give up at that stage or
4/blow engine
5/sell parts to pay for costs incurred in trying to get it to work or for fixing blown engine
6/sell car
7/dissappear up their own oriffice
This is no joke , be aware that that could be a possibilty for yourself also - if you think you have the character/skill/money to handle all this then go for it - the 8 with 300whp+ is a wonderfull thing .
Oh , forget stand alones , the Cobb is the way to go . Although my personal preference would be to self tune rather than go through the pain of a MM calibration , his service is great if you are not the impatient type and can follow instructions.
this is the normal run of events :
1/similar post to your first one
2/buy and fit turbo kit (often the fitting never happens)
3/run into extreme problems and give up at that stage or
4/blow engine
5/sell parts to pay for costs incurred in trying to get it to work or for fixing blown engine
6/sell car
7/dissappear up their own oriffice
This is no joke , be aware that that could be a possibilty for yourself also - if you think you have the character/skill/money to handle all this then go for it - the 8 with 300whp+ is a wonderfull thing .
Oh , forget stand alones , the Cobb is the way to go . Although my personal preference would be to self tune rather than go through the pain of a MM calibration , his service is great if you are not the impatient type and can follow instructions.
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01-01-2011, 09:30 PM
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so true. hell, even for me. After a couple years preparing, I started buying parts. Had most(all) everything. Money was no issue, I felt confident that I knew as much or more than 50% of the ppl on here with "build threads" at the time. I sold the stuff and walked away.
01-01-2011, 10:53 PM
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every new guy here asking about turbos ALWAYS has a ton of experience with turboing hondas and other mazdas....
stud you should just wait till you get back home, use your time on the FOB to do some serious research
stud you should just wait till you get back home, use your time on the FOB to do some serious research
01-02-2011, 02:18 AM
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I'm not saying I have a ton of experience but yes I do have a little bit I came from a n/a 1987 rx7 that was a mild build from stock, a friend had a turbo 1992 civic with a jdm GSR swap another friend had a turbo mazdaspeed mx5, I had 92 prelude that was turbo ready but I found a great deal on my 8. I've read alot found alot of answers found some bs answers lol I thank
everybody for the help and support. like I said I'm going on deployment in about 8 months and I was just trying to get a jump start on my research for now I'm getting the bhr coils, and the ap, i bought the 8 with a weapon r short ram and want to switch it... after deployment ill
be starting my my build..
everybody for the help and support. like I said I'm going on deployment in about 8 months and I was just trying to get a jump start on my research for now I'm getting the bhr coils, and the ap, i bought the 8 with a weapon r short ram and want to switch it... after deployment ill
be starting my my build..
01-02-2011, 09:55 AM
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good choice. I bought my turbo in january, and was trying to install it before the spring thaw. i didnt end up starting till august because of all the supporting mods and prep I decided to do