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Old Apr 29, 2007 | 05:40 PM
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I've already played with an early VATN.
Not ready for prime-time, I'm afraid.
They are extremely sensitive to over-spin.
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Old Apr 29, 2007 | 05:56 PM
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Isn't Porsche using them in their new 911 Twin Turbo? Some company in the US designed it for them if I remember right.
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Old Apr 29, 2007 | 06:06 PM
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Isn't Porsche using them in their new 911 Twin Turbo? Some company in the US designed it for them if I remember right.
you are correct about the new porsche, also these turbo's are very popular with diesels.
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Old Apr 29, 2007 | 11:48 PM
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The Porsche 997 uses a Garret Turbo with variable vanes around the periphery of the turbine. Smiths has a similar approach except it uses gates rather then vanes. More reliable and no overspeed.

Volvo's is more like like a 2-stage turbine system controlled by manifold pressure although it has only one turbine and a stator. They've used VGT systems on their diesel trucks for a while now, but they've had issues with sticking vanes.
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Old May 1, 2007 | 05:21 AM
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.Exactly. Alot of people miss that point entirely. Many people use an overly small exhaust side on the turbo which only makes it worse. It's a fact that higher exhaust backpressure makes an engine more prone to detonation than lower exhaust backpressure. Hmmmm..... I wonder what that means when it comes to superchargers vs turbochargers and detonation!
This point was made by RG a few days ago . We also have some evidence of turboed motors failing due to heat issues at the exhaust ports as reported in this thread.
Wonder if this will become a major argument in favour the super charger vs the turbo on our engines ........
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Old May 1, 2007 | 10:17 AM
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Probably not.
Corner seal failures are going to be a function of port design, anyway.

BTW - I don't agree with the correlation between higher exhaust "back pressure" and higher detonation. Higher latent heat is the issue with exhaust retention. High port pressure at the exhaust will lead to charge dilution which reduces the likelihood of detonation.
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Old May 1, 2007 | 10:39 AM
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Yea what he said!
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Old May 1, 2007 | 11:20 PM
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High port pressure at the exhaust will lead to charge dilution which reduces the likelihood of detonation.
Where the heck did you get that idea???
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Old May 2, 2007 | 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
Where the heck did you get that idea???
What do you mean?


That is the essence of EGR. You can jack the static temps all you want - if there is an over abundance of non-combustibles in the chamber, detonation will be suppressed.
"Back pressure" is not the actual issue leading to detonation. It is elevated temps in the engine materials from reduced flow.
That is, to some degree, offset by reversion.
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Old May 2, 2007 | 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
When you two finish this argument will you find time to respond to my mails and calls?
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Old May 2, 2007 | 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
I resent those tech questions I had for you, and RG has yet to call me back as he said he would.
Ahh. OK. I'll check my PMs.
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Old May 2, 2007 | 05:38 PM
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Sorry Ray it's been a busy week with the new job training and all. You actually caught me when I was at a restaurant the other day and by the time I got free it was nearly 10 PM here. I don't remember what time zone you are in but I thought it was too late.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 03:43 AM
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^^ I'm warming up the grill and chilling down the pool! If you hurry up, you can help me rebuild this Renesis I have sitting in my garage!
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Old May 3, 2007 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
If you wait a few more weeks I'll know exactly what to do to it when I get there and Fred will know exactly how to port it, if you wanna do what I am doing. Low compression rotors, maybe?
You're producing low compression rotors?
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Old May 3, 2007 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Devil
You're producing low compression rotors?
I don't know where he gets these ideas.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
If you wait a few more weeks I'll know exactly what to do to it when I get there and Fred will know exactly how to port it, if you wanna do what I am doing. Low compression rotors, maybe?
Nah - I'm not a big fan of the "low-compression, high-boost" concept.
No, I want to do a straight rebuild - maybe a slight clean-up of the ports.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by maxxdamigz
I don't know where he gets these ideas.
Yeah, swa that earlier.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 04:57 PM
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Keep in mind that the "concept stage" as of now has no stage to follow it in the works so it will remain there for quite a while.
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Old May 4, 2007 | 05:17 AM
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I'm all about not changing too many variables at one time.
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