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Old 06-13-2018, 12:02 PM
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RX7 Specialties (rotaryengine.com) CNC exhaust porting

Looks much more precise than the die grinder porting I've seen.

Does this kind of porting actually advance exhaust timing though? It looks like the enlarged exhaust port (at the wide end) doesn't actually go all the way through, and "slopes" to avoid the water jacket so that the opening itself is not actually any larger (though perhaps flow is increased).

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Doesn't address the issue with the port-runner transition. May even make it worse.

Also, his explanation of the carbon nugget from the exhaust port shelf doesn't seem likely to me. If exhaust gasses are flowing out through the exhaust port, how does the carbon fall back into the chamber against the gas flow.
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Yeah we'll have to see if they ever post dyno results.
The rotary community is simply awful at information sharing. I'm super curious how Rotary Innovations closed off its side exhaust ports on their funky dual-intake allegedly 271 flywheel hp semi-PP Renesis.
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A meticulous build and proper tune of an unported Renesis can get you to 260. Doesn't sound like all their extra work has gotten them much.
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Looks like quality work on the machining, but without the bare minimum of dyno results before and after porting (same irons, same hard seals), it is hard to consider it anything other than BS.
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I have watched a bunch of their videos. All of their work appears to be top notch. if I ever get a hankering for more porting, I would definitively let them do the rough ins on some brand new sideplates
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Just wanted to comment i live in calagry and have his exhaust and intake porting, initially ran on a n/a and felt no diffence on the butt dyno maf readings within 5 gpm before and after, will be turbo soon hopfully will help a little
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It wont make much difference on a turbo setup either....... As with all modifications you can believe the people that want to sell you something ...... or you can believe the people who have been there done that.
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Figued as much as have read your turbo thread, will be interesting to see what i can do with a top mount efr 8374 tho
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Figued as much as have read your turbo thread, will be interesting to see what i can do with a top mount efr 8374 tho
That will be interesting. The efr9174 done by Turblown didn't produce anything like the spoolup it should have , 8374 should do better ...but will it do better than mine? Will follow with interest!
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That will be interesting. The efr9174 done by Turblown didn't produce anything like the spoolup it should have , 8374 should do better ...but will it do better than mine? Will follow with interest!
Not or to threadjack but Iím also looking forward to seeing the 8374 and what it does. I picked up a 7670 and getting a rebuild by goopy so Iíll be jumping in headfirst soon as well
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I almost went 7670 will be interesting to compare look forward to your build, i just need a few more posts and will start a thread
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Not or to threadjack but Iím also looking forward to seeing the 8374 and what it does. I picked up a 7670 and getting a rebuild by goopy so Iíll be jumping in headfirst soon as well
This will be really cool ...been keen to see what both of those turbos will do on a Renesis.
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i see no power gains from this exhaust porting, just better flow and cooler exhaust temps and almost no carbon build up, thats about it.
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All you’ll see is a few hp and at the expense of side seal life/effectiveness ...

just to clarify, the overall issue is that there isn’t enough material thickness in the area around the exhaust port where it’s needed to result in anything useful. There is negative exhaust-intake port timing overlap that you can’t do anything about. This is what makes the Renesis unique among most combustion engines and tuning the exhaust mostly wasted work.

All you can do from an NA perspective is to make the exhaust as free flowing/restriction free as possible. For FI doing much more than clearancing the port opening to account for high temperature expansion on the entrance corners is going eventually result in excessive blowby imo due to side seal degradation.

The heat factor of FI alone is abusing them badly. Which they already have long term issues for NA. Taking support material away only exacerbates the situation. You instead need to focus more on proper design and execution of the overall package rather than trying to squeeze a fabled golden egg out the ugly Renesis duckling. See Slash128s build.

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Originally Posted by Blue2010R3 View Post
Looks much more precise than the die grinder porting I've seen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbYkV024bJo

Does this kind of porting actually advance exhaust timing though? It looks like the enlarged exhaust port (at the wide end) doesn't actually go all the way through, and "slopes" to avoid the water jacket so that the opening itself is not actually any larger (though perhaps flow is increased).
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i see no power gains from this exhaust porting, just better flow and cooler exhaust temps and almost no carbon build up, thats about it.
I self ported my exhaust ports and runner transitions using Racing Beat's template ... incorporating RX7 Specialities theory. Yes, this porting does advance exhaust port timing b/c the side seal sweeps past, i.e. opens, the exhaust port leading edge allowing exhaust gas evacuation earlier in the cycle. I won't have a direct comparison b/c my engine wasn't ported pre-turbo, but expect to see better exhaust flow and cooler exhaust as Jorx7 indicated, both of which are advantageous in a turbo application.

As Team suggests... everything most be considered "systemically". So, I agree 100% one has to focus on "proper design and execution of overall package", which I believe can incorporate thoughtful porting. No?

Currently resolving radiator / coolant temp issues in our 90F May weather... Once temps are managed... I should be able to get good data on my current ported vs. non-ported turbo system.

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Originally Posted by TeamRX8 View Post
All youíll see is a few hp and at the expense of side seal life/effectiveness ...

just to clarify, the overall issue is that there isnít enough material thickness in the area around the exhaust port where itís needed to result in anything useful. There is negative exhaust-intake port timing overlap that you canít do anything about. This is what makes the Renesis unique among most combustion engines and tuning the exhaust mostly wasted work.

All you can do from an NA perspective is to make the exhaust as free flowing/restriction free as possible. For FI doing much more than clearancing the port opening to account for high temperature expansion on the entrance corners is going eventually result in excessive blowby imo due to side seal degradation.

The heat factor of FI alone is abusing them badly. Which they already have long term issues for NA. Taking support material away only exacerbates the situation. You instead need to focus more on proper design and execution of the overall package rather than trying to squeeze a fabled golden egg out the ugly Renesis duckling.

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Couldn't agree more ............... FI porting does nothing useful . The only gain I've ever seen,from extensive experimentation, was to open the outer exhaust ports before the siamese . This improved my turbo spoolup by 1000rpm but it will only do this on a manifold that favors the outer ports.
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Well, theory is well... theory, but won't argue with results of thoughtful experimentation... Team & Brettus.

I thought it made sense to try exhaust porting since I had my engine apart. Time will tell... but I'll expect my findings to be consistent w/ yours.

Btw...I did port my end irons slightly larger than the mid iron. We'll see...
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well to open the thread again, I got their porting done, along with a street port on my 8, still within the break in period, but it definitely pops more so its flowing a bunch more air. I'm also running versatune, so ill be getting a dyno tune here shortly, so numbers will follow. As far as the craftsmanship, its top notch. everything is super clean and professionally done, and i got the rotating assembly balanced, i cant even feel this engine idle, if it weren't for the sound it would be hard to feel it running. 10K rpm here i come.
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Don’t be too disappointed by the results
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I'm not expecting miracles. Just slightly more flow, and maybe actually hit the claimed 230hp
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Just wanted to comment i live in calagry and have his exhaust and intake porting, initially ran on a n/a and felt no diffence on the butt dyno maf readings within 5 gpm before and after, will be turbo soon hopfully will help a little
I'd love to check out your set-up sometime; I'm in Sherwood Park.... I've been turbo'd on a GReddy kit since 2010 and I am starting to do my homework as far as rebuild and upgrading for more boost is concerned (planning to get turbo upgraded by BNR to hold more boost all the way to redline). I've chatted with Adam at Rx7 Specialties a little bit on the phone and via email. As far as I'm concerned, this is the shop I'll be using when rebuild time comes along, definitely interested in having some mild exhaust porting done while he's at it. Also considering studding.
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