ktec

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Yes, I know a lot of snake oil and junk products have come up in the past. Electric super chargers have gotten a bad rap too; but when looking into power mods for the BRZ, I cam across a legitimate electric supercharger.

Looks like it gives about 15-20% HP gains on a stock FRS/BRZ.
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I will be shooting over an email to Phantom to see is they have anything in the works for the RX8, our engine bay is perfect for this. They DO have a developer kit though.

ktec

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The intake location is just like the RX8

TeamRX8

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Congratulations on being the latest new member to come in and start posting new threads without bothering to search or educate yourself first.

A BRZ/FRS engine has a much lower rpm operation range with only 2/3 of the flow requirement of a Renesis engine.

Further, the intake position is not "just like the RX8" either.

Certainly not a "major hp forum" thread either

sigh ...

ktec

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Do your self a favor and do a search for Phantom Supercharger...let me know how many threads you find (hint... ONE..this one).

You opinion on what is or isn't considered "major horsepower" is nothing more than your personal (and erroneous) belief, along with everything else you took the time to write. So, unless you have any more hard data, like your 2/3 "flow requirement" then maybe you can just lurk this thread instead of wasting posts

wcs

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Ok post a flow map of the said electric super charger.

I'm telling you right now my T04e has way more breath to it than that thing...

Granted it might give some small gains down low but will run out steam by the time the Renny gets to 5500 rpm.

Then after that I would suspect it would become a restriction in the intake.

Now about the fitment. Hmmmmmmm
Well you got the airbox in the way. The vflad crap.
I'm assuming you want to set this thing up as a draw thru not a blow thru.
I'm pretty sure the stock map would be able to handle the small amount of boost it could produce (Maybe 2 psi?).
Sooo lets say 120% calc load tops. So that's good, not tuning required.

It's cool to see people try new stuff. But if I was looking at doing something like this I would rather go with nitrous. It's easier to setup and requires less modifications to the engine.

wcs

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Flow map.

TECH - New site

ktec

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Wcs, thanks for finding that info. Realistically I don't think anyone is comparing this product to an exhaust driven turbocharger. It won't make as much power but it also doesn't cost nearly as much to set up.

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Brettus

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The NA renesis flows 29lbs/min at redline .Looking at that map , WCS is right .... it would be a restriction at that rpm.

ktec

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Good thing they have a larger unit



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fallafalla

I've often thought of doing this very thing a couple times and finally decided to give it a go with R/C junk and a damaged turbo that was lying around, realistically you could build their system for less than $1000 NZD if you hunt around for good prices.

Bench results so far seem positive although the small HT12 turbo looks like its going to be a pretty decent restriction at higher RPMs maxing out at around 25 ish lb/min which seems pretty similar to their smaller unit.

In terms of actually sizing a compressor it looks like the GT30 or better yet GT35 would be the way to go any thoughts on this? seems the GT35 can flow between 35 - 40 lb/min at around 5 or 6 psi, I don't see spool being an issue the motor I'm currently using has no trouble spooling the HT12 from 0 - 49k RPM in around 2-3 seconds much less if its already spinning a little.

As for motors getting the compressor to 70k RPM isn't too difficult either the question is that enough with a GT30/35 wheel to make any sort of power?

hermantel

Hi to all. I am new on this forum and live in the Netherlands. We have a company named torqueAmp they build these electric supercharger and started as a project on university Leiden.
But yes, it works. only for me way to expensive. so I decided to build one on my own.

I read hear many doubts. well, if you do not believe me, just look at Audi and Mercedes, they put an electric super charger in their new cars to get rid of the turbo leque...The electric turbo gives about 7 psi boost instant. Then next the Second turbo kicks in

So how did they do it? With enough electric power and fast enough brushless motor
Now days you already have them with ceramic bearing. so no oil needed. and they have enough torque with 48 volt booster and run about 100.000 rpm. so yes, enough for low rpm boost
I agree that above 5000 rpm the party is over. And yes it is not a real turbo. but compare it with a low rpm diesel turbo for extra torque in lower rpm
Between 2500 and 4000.
I have a Renault Megane mk 2 coupe cabriolet and with the 1.6 16v only 115 HP. .I did some chip tuning. no results. .next step will be other cold manifault and other exhaust. That will gain extra
But since I want to make it as an rs replica F1 team.
Well then it must have some extra thrust right?

I will not use micro switches but a speed controller with programme be input 0 to 5 volt
Connect to the ecu throttle output
As power I use RC LIPO battery packs.
They will charge by the generator, so I won't use my car battery. These LIPO packs is also what torqueamp use or Audi or Mercedes
Maybe later I will experiment with super capacitors.
These charge faster and last longer
OK I hope this is an open source and get some feedback
Because I need to find the parts..motor turbo speed control
Another one doubt I have is if there is enough air flow once the electric supercharger is switched off
Audi uses electric valves to bypass the turbo
Once the second turbo kicks in.
I spook with a guy from torqueamp. .He told me no problem. The air flow will pass the not working turbo without a problem. Is that right?
I personally think. that it is a problem with high speed. ..The air flow is then about 3000 liter a minute. 50 liter a second...how will that pass the blocked turbo? Maybe I am wrong and nothing is happening. So please let me know.
Also what affordable brushless 48 volt 4P about 2100kv motor I can use with a great torque?
I only came up with the TP 4050 RC motor.
I hope to hear from you guys. Greetings Herman from the Netherlands, near Amsterdam

Brettus

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There was a guy a few years ago playing with the idea but I don't think it ever came to anything . Otherwise I'm not aware of anyone on here that can help you with that . Good luck though !

strokercharged95gt

Nobody seen this yet???

TeamRX8

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Yeah, kind of thinking on a 2-rotor it isn’t going to have much flow at high rpm. It would likely add something noticeable at low rpm, but not as much as that 2.2L reciprocating engine. It needs to be able to support a larger displacement engine to be effective on a 2-rotor. Which the battery charging/time limitation isn’t going to allow much more than passing potential either. As technology advances it’s likely to keep progressing though. Assuming the world as we now know it doesn’t implode first.