Proposed FI Plans
05-16-2010, 08:42 PM
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Proposed FI Plans
So I've been reading this site for over a year now and have been learning and saving to go FI. I should be ready to purchase this summer; I've never owned an FI'd car before so this will all be a new experience for me. I plan to do the install myself with the help of this forum and a couple friends.
Plans are to go with the GReddy turbo kit and an Access Port from MM for engine management. I'm going to purchase an HKS SSQV BOV; and for gauges an AEM UEGO and an Autometer mechanical boost gauge. I also plan on doing fix #2 from the definitive greddy fixes thread (https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-major-horsepower-upgrades-93/definitive-greddy-turbo-fixes-here-they-81825/). In total I'm planning on spending just under $5500.00 to get up and running with the turbo.
I know there is alot of complaints about the GReddy couplers but I do plan on going with the MM Garrett upgrade, which comes with new silicone couplers, sometime down the road and I think the GReddy couplers will last until then. I'm looking at getting around 250whp to begin with and an ultimate goal of around 320-350whp (of course with additional supporting mods).
There is one thing I am a little unsure of and that is if I am getting the Access Port from MM with the Custom Calibration will I still need to get a professional tune and some dyno time on the car or will the MM maps meet what I am looking for?
Please let me know what you think as I'm looking to hear some feedback on these plans. If there is anything you think I'm missing or something different you would do I'd love to hear it! As for now I'll be browsing the site and continuing on with reading all that I can.
Plans are to go with the GReddy turbo kit and an Access Port from MM for engine management. I'm going to purchase an HKS SSQV BOV; and for gauges an AEM UEGO and an Autometer mechanical boost gauge. I also plan on doing fix #2 from the definitive greddy fixes thread (https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-major-horsepower-upgrades-93/definitive-greddy-turbo-fixes-here-they-81825/). In total I'm planning on spending just under $5500.00 to get up and running with the turbo.
I know there is alot of complaints about the GReddy couplers but I do plan on going with the MM Garrett upgrade, which comes with new silicone couplers, sometime down the road and I think the GReddy couplers will last until then. I'm looking at getting around 250whp to begin with and an ultimate goal of around 320-350whp (of course with additional supporting mods).
There is one thing I am a little unsure of and that is if I am getting the Access Port from MM with the Custom Calibration will I still need to get a professional tune and some dyno time on the car or will the MM maps meet what I am looking for?
Please let me know what you think as I'm looking to hear some feedback on these plans. If there is anything you think I'm missing or something different you would do I'd love to hear it! As for now I'll be browsing the site and continuing on with reading all that I can.
05-16-2010, 08:58 PM
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Good start - sounds like you have read up well .
The MM tune is supposed to be all you need up to a point but if you start pushing past 300whp I venture to suggest that you will need to gain first hand knowledge of how to tune it yourself .
This is just going from my own experience and observations of what others have tried to do .
also : have $ in reserve just in case you need an engine rebuild . Don't be one of the many on here that sell their kit cheap to pay for the rebuild ......
The MM tune is supposed to be all you need up to a point but if you start pushing past 300whp I venture to suggest that you will need to gain first hand knowledge of how to tune it yourself .
This is just going from my own experience and observations of what others have tried to do .
also : have $ in reserve just in case you need an engine rebuild . Don't be one of the many on here that sell their kit cheap to pay for the rebuild ......
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Thanks for the Advice Brettus I've read ALOT of your posts and about your build and take your opinion in high regards... As for pushing past the 300whp mark I was hopeing that MM would have a map that could handle it that could be purchased or made with the data logging capabilites from the AP. Anyway the 300whp will be further down the road and I hope to learn alot from the initial greddy set up; while trying to keep it safe as my engine is still in great shape (only as 30000KMs on 2004 Model year) and would be a shame to have to replace.
05-16-2010, 11:28 PM
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When are you planning on purchasing all this? Im toying with the idea of taking my turbo system off the car and going back to stock so I can make the car a daily driver. Everything on my build is the best you can get. I have everything that you stated and a lot more. If I decide to take it off, Ill let you know. Jeff tuned my car personally and got to 10psi before the boost started to drop off. He just sent me a new actuator to hit 14psi, so the numbers should be even higher.
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05-16-2010, 11:40 PM
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When are you planning on purchasing all this? Im toying with the idea of taking my turbo system off the car and going back to stock so I can make the car a daily driver. Everything on my build is the best you can get. I have everything that you stated and a lot more. If I decide to take it off, Ill let you know. Jeff tuned my car personally and got 326whp before the boost started to drop off. He just sent me a new actuator to hit 14psi, so the numbers should be even higher.
05-16-2010, 11:44 PM
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Thanks for the Advice Brettus I've read ALOT of your posts and about your build and take your opinion in high regards... As for pushing past the 300whp mark I was hopeing that MM would have a map that could handle it that could be purchased or made with the data logging capabilites from the AP. Anyway the 300whp will be further down the road and I hope to learn alot from the initial greddy set up; while trying to keep it safe as my engine is still in great shape (only as 30000KMs on 2004 Model year) and would be a shame to have to replace.
05-16-2010, 11:52 PM
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Ya, once I get this actuator in, Ill prolly head down and make a couple pulls. Car pulls like a ***** till 7k, then falls on its face. Ill post results when I get some.
05-16-2010, 11:54 PM
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phantom my maf logs show slightly over 400 g/s and i dyno'd 290 whp...tune is very solid and conservative from jeff..car feels great...are you planning on trying out the wastegate jeff sent to you? i still get a boost drop off with my hks wastegate
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05-17-2010, 12:06 AM
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And ya, the car feels good, but I just feel like for the money, it should be more. Ill hit you up when I hit the dyno. Dont really wanna post the dyno run because I dont want it psycho analyzed and tore apart by every cynic on this site!
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05-17-2010, 12:08 AM
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Everyone has a different goal and needs to be happy with the results, whatever they may be, in relation to that goal.
For some peopel, just knowing they have "X" HP is WAY more important than what they can actually do with the car.
This is not a slam, just an observation.
Look at all the "1000 HP" Supras out there that are, essentially, useless.
I watch 250 HP cars go around PIR 10 or more seconds faster than 500 HP cars every weekend.
But, sometimes, that is just what people want - a number.
It isn't in itself, a bad thing. It is quantifiable. Tangible.
For some peopel, just knowing they have "X" HP is WAY more important than what they can actually do with the car.
This is not a slam, just an observation.
Look at all the "1000 HP" Supras out there that are, essentially, useless.
I watch 250 HP cars go around PIR 10 or more seconds faster than 500 HP cars every weekend.
But, sometimes, that is just what people want - a number.
It isn't in itself, a bad thing. It is quantifiable. Tangible.
05-17-2010, 12:18 AM
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Everyone has a different goal and needs to be happy with the results, whatever they may be, in relation to that goal.
For some peopel, just knowing they have "X" HP is WAY more important than what they can actually do with the car.
This is not a slam, just an observation.
Look at all the "1000 HP" Supras out there that are, essentially, useless.
I watch 250 HP cars go around PIR 10 or more seconds faster than 500 HP cars every weekend.
But, sometimes, that is just what people want - a number.
It isn't in itself, a bad thing. It is quantifiable. Tangible.
For some peopel, just knowing they have "X" HP is WAY more important than what they can actually do with the car.
This is not a slam, just an observation.
Look at all the "1000 HP" Supras out there that are, essentially, useless.
I watch 250 HP cars go around PIR 10 or more seconds faster than 500 HP cars every weekend.
But, sometimes, that is just what people want - a number.
It isn't in itself, a bad thing. It is quantifiable. Tangible.
05-17-2010, 08:37 AM
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Yeah Phantom keep me updated, I will definitely give it some thought about a used kit... I really wasnt looking into the BNR turbo though as I wanted to go with the Garrett that could feed the engine right to 9000. But Phantom I'm real interested in seeing what you can post with the new actuator.
Also I'm not overly obsessed with numbers I just hate being raped on by my two roommates' SRT-4 and GTO in anything other than 1st and a bit of 2nd (from a roll)... would be real nice to keep up or even pull on them.
And Brettus I realize it was just a base map for the 250whp... What I meant was that later down the road I could get an updated map for my application with the upgrade to hit those 3xx numbers.
Also I'm not overly obsessed with numbers I just hate being raped on by my two roommates' SRT-4 and GTO in anything other than 1st and a bit of 2nd (from a roll)... would be real nice to keep up or even pull on them.
And Brettus I realize it was just a base map for the 250whp... What I meant was that later down the road I could get an updated map for my application with the upgrade to hit those 3xx numbers.
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Yeah Phantom keep me updated, I will definitely give it some thought about a used kit... I really wasnt looking into the BNR turbo though as I wanted to go with the Garrett that could feed the engine right to 9000. But Phantom I'm real interested in seeing what you can post with the new actuator.
Also I'm not overly obsessed with numbers I just hate being raped on by my two roommates' SRT-4 and GTO in anything other than 1st and a bit of 2nd (from a roll)... would be real nice to keep up or even pull on them.
And Brettus I realize it was just a base map for the 250whp... What I meant was that later down the road I could get an updated map for my application with the upgrade to hit those 3xx numbers.
Also I'm not overly obsessed with numbers I just hate being raped on by my two roommates' SRT-4 and GTO in anything other than 1st and a bit of 2nd (from a roll)... would be real nice to keep up or even pull on them.
And Brettus I realize it was just a base map for the 250whp... What I meant was that later down the road I could get an updated map for my application with the upgrade to hit those 3xx numbers.
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hey OP, you might want to add another $1000 onto your budget. trust me. I may be interested in parting with my setup (289hp at 8psi) stock greddy with fixes and an AP, new couplers, and ceramic coated exhaust (my guess as why I get slightly higher than normal numbers). Plus there is a special discount on Jeff's tunes if you buy my setup.
Hope the mods don't get mad at me for that, but I like the direction your going, just be expecting to pay a bit more to hit over 300, good luck and have fun with the install, I know I did.
Hope the mods don't get mad at me for that, but I like the direction your going, just be expecting to pay a bit more to hit over 300, good luck and have fun with the install, I know I did.
05-17-2010, 11:33 AM
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hey OP, you might want to add another $1000 onto your budget. trust me. I may be interested in parting with my setup (289hp at 8psi) stock greddy with fixes and an AP, new couplers, and ceramic coated exhaust (my guess as why I get slightly higher than normal numbers). Plus there is a special discount on Jeff's tunes if you buy my setup.
Hope the mods don't get mad at me for that, but I like the direction your going, just be expecting to pay a bit more to hit over 300, good luck and have fun with the install, I know I did.
Hope the mods don't get mad at me for that, but I like the direction your going, just be expecting to pay a bit more to hit over 300, good luck and have fun with the install, I know I did.
Sorry to ask the same question twice but does anyone know if The AP and calibration service is at least still offered by Jeff from the MM website?