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Old Jul 1, 2008 | 08:12 PM
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no she doesn't but I will meet up with phil and let him show me the real vegas hehehehehehe this is a once in a life time chance by the sound of it
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Old Jul 1, 2008 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by munche187
no she doesn't but I will meet up with phil and let him show me the real vegas hehehehehehe this is a once in a life time chance by the sound of it

Watch out for the shovel in the desert meet.....
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Old Jul 1, 2008 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Rote8
.....I am NOT talking about Snow Performance Nitro-Booster; I have that on order.
It should come any day now....
(or they will take me to Guantanamo for ordering it)
If it is on order from Snow it'll be another week or so as it is on back-order. Juan is supposed to be getting some, too.
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 07:03 AM
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Happy birthday Bastage
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 08:14 AM
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Thanks! I'm starting to get old; I found a gray hair on the back of my hand last week
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 08:17 AM
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Happy Birthay Bastage that wasn't a grey hair it was residue.lol
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Bastage
Thanks! I'm starting to get old; I found a gray hair on the back of my hand last week
At 31 it was not yours
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by munche187
Happy Birthay Bastage that wasn't a grey hair it was residue.lol
I KNEW someone would say something like that! It was definitely a gray hair, and it was definitely growing out of me.
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 09:06 AM
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Welcome to the club.................ole man! I got enough gray hair for all of us!

Seriously......Happy Birthday!
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Mazurfer
Welcome to the club.................ole man! I got enough gray hair for all of us!

Seriously......Happy Birthday!
Gray hair, HA at 48 you can't have too many gray hairs, your just a teen ager in the scheme of things. How did your injury turn out?
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 10:11 AM
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Sigh, no Nitro-Booster from Snow Performance any time soon.

I just got off the phone with Snow, they have no Nitromethane to make Nitro-Booster.
They say there is a worldwide shortage of Nitromethane.

VP Racing seems to have it.....
I think the RC car fuel is looking better by the minute.
Did the RC fuel really fall out of suspension?
It seemed the stuff worked, from the reports here.
(Am I just wishfully thinking?)
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 10:25 AM
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I have only one spot left on my body that doesnt have gray hair
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 10:33 AM
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We Snow dealers have different information on the Nitro-Booster.
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by olddragger
I have only one spot left on my body that doesnt have gray hair
olddragger
Can't remember your age - from the way you talk your a little on the high side of middle age so you deserve a few gray hairs. Dirt is the only thing older than me.
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 10:45 AM
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I will be 59 on 9/5-----sigh. BUT--I do now have the authority to pick on teenagers
1st retirement coming in 15 mos!
OD
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil's 8
Dirt is the only thing older than me.


I feel like my life is accelerating. The birth of my oldest kid feels like it just happened, only it's been almost 3.5 years. I need to stop blinking.
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by olddragger
I will be 59 on 9/5-----sigh. BUT--I do now have the authority to pick on teenagers
1st retirement coming in 15 mos!
OD
DON'T RETIRE, screw um - make them get rid of you - hang on and make their life as miserable as possible What will you do with yourself all day if you retire especially with kids still in college.
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Rote8
I just got off the phone with Snow, they have no Nitromethane to make Nitro-Booster.
They say there is a worldwide shortage of Nitromethane.

VP Racing seems to have it.....
I think the RC car fuel is looking better by the minute.
Did the RC fuel really fall out of suspension?
It seemed the stuff worked, from the reports here.
(Am I just wishfully thinking?)
Yeah VP Fuels have it or you can do what I do is buy their M5 that comes with the Nitromethane and Lube premixed in with the methanol.

On a different note what is to lean on the A/F the Reason I ask is on my last data logs I got 12.5 and 12.8 with the meth on.

The reason they were different may be because I played with the meth mix.

The 12.5 run was 50/50 the 12.8 run was 30/70 30 water 70 M5
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by munche187
On a different note what is to lean on the A/F the Reason I ask is on my last data logs I got 12.5 and 12.8 with the meth on.
If you don't knock, 12.3:1 or so is pretty optimal.
However, one stutter from that meth pump and you could be walking home.
11.5:1 is a better target.
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 02:48 PM
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Yeah VP Fuels have it or you can do what I do is buy their M5 that comes with the Nitromethane and Lube premixed in with the methanol.

On a different note what is to lean on the A/F the Reason I ask is on my last data logs I got 12.5 and 12.8 with the meth on.

The reason they were different may be because I played with the meth mix.

The 12.5 run was 50/50 the 12.8 run was 30/70 30 water 70 M5
This sounds like our proof that nitromethane will lean out an A/F ratio.
As MM pointed out, the pump may stutter;

which cuts off the very stuff leaning the mixture.


The question now would be can the pump "over-pump" in a "reverse-stutter"?
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Rote8
This sounds like our proof that nitromethane will lean out an A/F ratio.
No, its the other way around.
The reading is leaner because the water/meth/nitro is displacing fuel.
Remember the stochiometry of meth and nitro. Both carry their own oxygen into the fire.
Nitro will burn without oxidant.

You are reading an AFR based on a 14.7:1 stochiometry.
However, you have introduced two new fuels in unregulated amounts that have 6.7:1 and 1.7:1 stochiometric values.
Even though 12.5:1 is .85 λ for gasoline, its 1.8 λ for meth (very lean) and 7.4 λ for nitro (off-scale lean).

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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 04:21 PM
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Well any one that wants to see my last EFI dude data log send me a PM with your email address and I'll send the file. If you don't have the EFI Dude software I can send the data over in .xls
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 08:33 PM
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here is a screen shot of my last data log with no meth 12.3 A/F
I think I am ok


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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 08:46 PM
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How do you read that with no scale? Without a scale, that print is pretty meaningless.

Also, can't you expand just the loaded part of the run?
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Old Jul 2, 2008 | 08:56 PM
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No, its the other way around.
The reading is leaner because the water/meth/nitro is displacing fuel.
Remember the stochiometry of meth and nitro. Both carry their own oxygen into the fire.
Nitro will burn without oxidant.

You are reading an AFR based on a 14.7:1 stochiometry.
However, you have introduced two new fuels in unregulated amounts that have 6.7:1 and 1.7:1 stochiometric values.
Even though 12.5:1 is .85 λ for gasoline, its 1.8 λ for meth (very lean) and 7.4 λ for nitro (off-scale lean).

I'll do this without the math, the simple way:
Hey munche187, what was the A/F without the methanol/nitromethane mixture injected?
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