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mscamp02 04-23-2009 08:53 AM

honestly if you are going for the turbocharger route, with as much reading about the kits that I have been doing, Esmeril is the way to go (they have great power gains, a high quality product, and from what I hear good customer service.

However if you want the most reliable kit out there I think it might be the Pettit supercharger kit (low maintenance, easy bolt on, and tuning all done by pettit)

Luckycat 04-23-2009 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by mscamp02 (Post 2984260)
honestly if you are going for the turbocharger route, with as much reading about the kits that I have been doing, Esmeril is the way to go (they have great power gains, a high quality product, and from what I hear good customer service.

However if you want the most reliable kit out there I think it might be the Pettit supercharger kit (low maintenance, easy bolt on, and tuning all done by pettit)


I have to agree with you on the Esmeril kit. I have done a lot of shopping around for FI kits before I settle down on this kit. The exhaust manifold is very very strong and solid. Good over all quaility parts and everything come with the kit. Everything fit the way they suppose to. The only thing you need to get are gauges and WB O2 sensor. I also heard that the base map work pretty well out of the box. I happen to live 20 mins away from Chris who create this kit and he has been helpful and so does Jason from Mazdaparts.com. I have a friend with experience in FI help me install the kit. I couldn't get it done without his help so my hat goes off to him too. The installation is not too difficult but tedious.

In the end the reliability of FI (beside the components) come down to how well the car is tuned. One tune doesn't work all the time. Weather may get real hot or it may get real cold. You have to tune it to match the current condition. I will take my time to understand the concept of tuning so I can make some minor changes on my car to avoid issues as much as possible. I know the risk of going to FI but whether FI or NA, tuning is very critical for reliability of engine. My car is almost ready to run. I just have to finsih some minor detail and hopefully get it complete by this weekend.

And I have to agree with you that Pettit racing superchargered is the most reliable form of FI right now. I haven't seen or heard anyone has issue with it. My dad used to have a hot rodded Volvo 760 turbo and that one of the reason I decide to turbo my car in stead of going supercharged.

Mspeedpro 04-23-2009 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by Luckycat (Post 2984379)
I have to agree with you on the Esmeril kit. I have done a lot of shopping around for FI kits before I settle down on this kit. The exhaust manifold is very very strong and solid. Good over all quaility parts and everything come with the kit. Everything fit the way they suppose to. The only thing you need to get are gauges and WB O2 sensor. I also heard that the base map work pretty well out of the box. I happen to live 20 mins away from Chris who create this kit and he has been helpful and so does Jason from Mazdaparts.com. I have a friend with experience in FI help me install the kit. I couldn't get it done without his help so my hat goes off to him too. The installation is not too difficult but tedious.

In the end the reliability of FI (beside the components) come down to how well the car is tuned. One tune doesn't work all the time. Weather may get real hot or it may get real cold. You have to tune it to match the current condition. I will take my time to understand the concept of tuning so I can make some minor changes on my car to avoid issues as much as possible. I know the risk of going to FI but whether FI or NA, tuning is very critical for reliability of engine. My car is almost ready to run. I just have to finsih some minor detail and hopefully get it complete by this weekend.

And I have to agree with you that Pettit racing superchargered is the most reliable form of FI right now. I haven't seen or heard anyone has issue with it. My dad used to have a hot rodded Volvo 760 turbo and that one of the reason I decide to turbo my car in stead of going supercharged.

Which turbo came with your kit Luckycat? The new turbo or the much-discussed original unit?

Definitely post plenty of pictures of the new setup when you have some time!

ChrisRX8PR 04-23-2009 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by Mspeedpro (Post 2984559)
Which turbo came with your kit Luckycat? The new turbo or the much-discussed original unit?

Definitely post plenty of pictures of the new setup when you have some time!

His has the original turbo. The new turbo hasn't been fully negotiated with the supplier yet. We will post on the forum when it becomes available officially. He does have the new wastegate setup.

Best regards,

Chris

6Daemon 04-23-2009 04:01 PM

I understand that Pettit kit is more safe to use for me, but I REALLY want ESMERIL :)

Its because I want serious HP upgrade, not the tiny little one with pettit :)

Only thing that is a problem, is the distance from where I live to the US, so if something happen, I will have to wait few weeks for parts :icon_no2:

So in this case, I have to be sure that I can believe to the Esmeril Racing that they created kit the best way they can and there is a verry little chance something bad will happen. I think I can believe in their engineering :)

- Chris, I had another question on the previous page (the stupid one about tuning ECU), I'll be glad you answer me because you're head engineer :)
- second thing, about the gauges ... do I really need them? And what is "WB O2 sensor" ?

There should be some manual to this turbo kit to download, which when I read, I'll understand everything ... Is it somewhere to download?

WhiteSnowflake8 04-23-2009 04:08 PM

Hey chris, is this new WG still a 60mm?? cause im tying to find a tial 60mm short top one but cant find it. might relocate it and get a 44mm.

chickenwafer 04-23-2009 04:30 PM

Glad to see you guys are making improvements with the kit. I would REALLY like to see some pictures of that metal UIM!

ChrisRX8PR 04-23-2009 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by WhiteSnowflake8 (Post 2985152)
Hey chris, is this new WG still a 60mm?? cause im tying to find a tial 60mm short top one but cant find it. might relocate it and get a 44mm.

It is not 60mm anymore. It is a well designed 38mm wastegate which has really good flow paths and is the latest from Tial. We expect flows matching at least what a standard 44mm would flow. not as much as the original 60mm but it was a trade-off we decided to make due to the fact that most people that buy our kit will not be shooting for 500whp. It works great and is a great match to the current manifold design.

Best regards,

Chris

ChrisRX8PR 04-23-2009 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by chickenwafer (Post 2985188)
Glad to see you guys are making improvements with the kit. I would REALLY like to see some pictures of that metal UIM!

Alright....you twisted my arm....ask and thou shall receive... :)

Please dont tell anyone about this...this is Top Secret Esmeril Work.... ;)

Best regards,

Chris

p.s.I will not answer any dimensional questions about the intake so don't try...just enjoy the pics...

alz0rz 04-23-2009 05:09 PM

ohhhhhh

shazy 04-23-2009 05:12 PM

Holy shit...

ChrisRX8PR 04-23-2009 05:25 PM

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Here are a few of the mocked manifold inside the engine bay...some other things are visible also...enjoy.....no questions yet please...

Best regards,

Chris

Jedi54 04-23-2009 05:33 PM

whoa!

remixlp 04-23-2009 05:36 PM

Can ppl with the original kit get your new waste gate to buy?

NgoRX8 04-23-2009 05:48 PM

wow, very interesting changes

WhiteSnowflake8 04-23-2009 05:50 PM

wont work ours is 60mm, new is smaller.

ChrisRX8PR 04-23-2009 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by NgoRX8 (Post 2985324)
wow, very interesting changes

Its not about changing the kit design. The kit works great in its current form and is ideal. The reason we are changing everything is because we can :) and we want to push the Renesis engine to limit. Air to Air are better street intercoolers under most circumstances, the reason we went with an air to water is because with the bigger turbo we wanted to reduce lag as much as possible and the air to water allows a very short travel from turbo to throttle body, not to mention that the intercooler has less internal volume to fill.

Best regards,

Chris

pdxhak 04-23-2009 06:42 PM

Wow that looks so badass!!

tdiddy 04-23-2009 06:56 PM

how is the idle with the new UIM?

Motomouse 04-23-2009 07:03 PM

amazing project :)

NoOdLe BoY 04-23-2009 07:13 PM

ooooooh is right!!!

Greek Racer 8 04-23-2009 07:30 PM

Woot! Nice..... Can not wait to see the newest Dyno..... When I get this kit I will only aiming for 340WHP give my brothers Vette a run for it's money.... we'll see how long till I want to shoot for more power.

I was so excited to know that if I wanted my 8 could make 400+ wheel HP. Give my brothers GN A good run then....lol....

One thing I've been meaning to ask for a while is..... are you guys planning to udate the kit to work with the AP. If I remember right it had something to do with the location of the MAF and tube length/size. Hopefullu mid Augutst I'll be ready to buy.

getdamafiaonyou 04-23-2009 07:32 PM

that's sexy. you just changed my mind from supercharging in the future. and i know you said no questions...but...wheres your strut bar?

kersh4w 04-23-2009 09:22 PM

any gains n/a?

this looks very nice btw.

myriadshalaks 04-23-2009 09:37 PM

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...ds/wowzers.jpg.


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