Esmeril Dyno - Out of the box.
 

In lieu of recent happenings and the fact that we had promised a baseline dyno a long time ago we realized that we owed it to our current/future customers to do a baseline dyno and that the fact that we were very busy developing new products and manufacturing existing ones was no excuse for not having this. We made it a point to setup some dyno time with a local shop so we could give you some proof of what the kit is capable of instead of wasting time talking about the issue.

Here is the result:

366whp/265wtq

Here are the conditions for the run and below find the dyno graph:

- Completely out of the box kit with atmospheric dump.
- 13 psi.
- Esmeril Racing Ignition Upgrade Kit.
- ABS/DSC fuse pulled (all other methods failed).
- Between 40-50% humidity and 80deg.
- 91 Octane pump fuel with no additives.

Some clarifications before questions arise:

The dyno we used (the newest/nearest one to our location) was nearly brand new, just installed a few weeks ago and the dyno cell/enclosure hasn’t been finished. No extractor was set up for the exhaust gases and the rear door was unopened due to the opening mechanism not being in place yet. All these variables caused the air inside the Dyno cell to be saturated with low oxygen air(it was a cave with the exhaust facing towards the inside wall) evident by the fact that on the street the car runs at 11.5AFR with this exact setup/map/etc. and when in the dyno it dropped to 10.0-10.2AFR across the board, further dropping to a super low 9.4AFR in the 5200rpm region which was a little detrimental to the tq/hp curve (it would have been at peak from this point on but it suffered a dip in this region). Should our dyno have been well ventilated and the humidity lower (it was storming outside) we expect more can be coaxed from the set-up as it sits.

This current number, however, is more than we anticipated on this A/R turbo housing (our original promise was of 340whp at 13psi and you can see that at 8000rpm the A/R starts limiting peak power a little bit). We feel very confident that with a fully operating dyno (with some kind of airflow going through it ) the results would be even more favorable.

As a further commitment to the community we have set another date where we will go with the car to the dyno again when it is fully operational and do a full blasted run taking the Esmeril Turbo Kit to the max as it comes out of the box. We are expecting this to be within a month’s time and this time we will do whatever it takes to accomplish this.

A video of the run and a new video of the car on the street will follow soon as well.

Thanks,

Chris

Holy Crap!111!!

S

It's nice to finally see some numbers. Well done.

^what he said

very nice guys

looks like theres a very smooth power delivery very supercharger like.....hmmmm...

It is smooth unde the boost curve and above it but the transition causes the tires to break loose in third from a roll when under 70deg and low humidity. Makes for a very fun ride :)

Chris

NICE ~~~~~

Another option to consider ... NICE ! :)

Zoom zoom!

holy horsepower Batman

Good job

Very nice numbers!

nice.

thats 2 kits that are +350whp.

put all the haters to rest. the renny is new, all it takes is time and we will see 400whp. it just takes money.

Would be nice to see the x-axis as RPM

I actually have one of the runs with RPM in the X axis. Just not an original dyno file, its printed on paper. I will need to scan it and post it tomorrow morning until I can get a hold of the actual dyno file.

Thanks,

Chris

Good work Chris, this will be an intersting car to pull up next to on the highway I bet. :)

Your getting close to race specs it seems... Compare your setup to the D962R Turbo which uses a Garrett G35 Turbo, Tial 44mm external wastegate, intercooler, and larger primary injectors. Their Renesis engine produces 435 bhp, and 235 lb-ft of torque at only 9 psi of boost.

I've had a few encounters....mostly are followed by the "radio adjustment syndrome" where the driver of the loosing car acts like nothing happened and adjusts his radio while trying to look in that direction so he doesn't have to look at me :). Very peculiar....

The D962R revs the crap out of the engine that is why it produces soo much power with so little torque.....very impressive indeed!

Thanks,

Chris

Hot.

Sweet.

sweet jesus mother of god @.@

Excellent.
I'll add it to the dyno comparo.
This is the kit with the pre-tuned Int-X?

holy crap! Nicely done guys!

This is the kit with the Int-X. It has the base map but it was tuned because the base map is meant to be extremely rich at boosts levels above 10psi for safety reasons with customer installs in case of an issue with a wrongfully installed wastegate or something of the sort. Some tuning is required to get to this but it is with what comes in the kit and nothing more.

Thanks,

Chris

I'm also curious why you have such problems with the DSC/TCS.
I've never had any kind of interference from those systems, even at power levels substantially above this.

I don't know if its the same with every car. I have even seen cars with my own eyes that dyno well just pushing the button for 10sec. For some reason mine is not one of them. My system will flash the ABS light and the car will slow down after 6500rpm like I let off the gas if I just push the button for 10sec and do the run in 4th. If I do it in 3rd it doesn't do anything but the numbers are not as realistic because its suck a high ratio. It might have something to do with the 100mph mark as this is where the issues start happening. Either way pulling the fuse with the car in the off position took care of the problem for the entire dyno session.

Also, I would really like to see a chart of an RX-8 at higher than 366whp with a renesis if you have one available. It sounds awesome and might inspire some faith from the people in the forum :)

Thanks,

Chris

Dyno update!

Here is one of the runs with the RPM in the X axis. This was scanned so excuse the quality ;). We will update with a digital copy soon.

MM, Thanks for updating the dyno comparison thread.

It seems as if something is a little off though. On the TQ graph our curve is at all times above the mazsport kit yet on the WHP graph it never surpasses the mazsport graph(weird because we made 4whp more) and from 6000-7600 it even appears as though the mazsport was higher than ours when in that range our tq is higher which makes that impossible since higher tq at the same RPM = more hp. Our max tq should also be edited, it was 265+ not 262 as it says in the block next to the graphs.

Also, please edit our name to read Esmeril instead of Esmiril.

Thanks a million.

Chris

Question: do you have a plot of boost vs. RPM? I see that your torque peak occurs after 7000 rpms (by my guess). Also, do you know what the SAE value was that was used? I wish my torque curve was that smoothe.

simply awesome

We do not have a plot of boost vs rpm. Full boost of 13psi was attained way before tq got up there but because of the supper low AFR's(low 9's) in the before and after 5000rpm range, due to the lack of ventilation in the dyno cell, the TQ was disturbed in that region and had to slowly creep back up.

I am confident it would already have been at peak in the 5000-5500rpm region(just like the stock tq peak) in better conditions. We only did 3 passes so there wasn't any tunning done on the dyno.

Thanks,

Chris

Wasn't the run at 13psi (not 8, as the dyno comparison chart says)?

Nice graph, guys. Thanks for finally posting and good luck with the next run

Yep...I missed that one....haha, thanks for catching that. It was kinda late when MM updated the thread so its understandable :).

Thanks,

Chris

hey chris,

nice to see this stuff up. good job! as to the abs dsc issues, what ecu flash is the car on?

seems as we have gone through the flashes that problem went away.

beers :beer:

I am not sure what flash the car is on. Might be an M or something of the sort. After I went standalone I stopped caring about flashes. The fuse solved the problem though.

Chris

for the long term life of the car keeping up with the flashes is a very good thing. you are about about 5 or 6 behind. and a lot of oil of the omp. the last on i think is w.

beers :beer:

Oh wow. I'll drop by the dealer then. Its funny, my car is still under all warranty except power train...the techs love it every time I bring it in.

Thanks,

Chris

yep,

beers :beer:

I applied the new dyno (in RPM) to the comparo.
It didn't really improve anything since the actual run was shorter than I calculated.
The Esmeril has a torque bump early on that is attributable to the WG opening, but after that is is virtually identical to the MazSport.
I've included a pic of the raw plots against each other below if there is any question.

http://www.mazdamaniac.com/images/misc/es_vs_ms.jpg

That is fine, I know this is just with the purpose of having a rough comparison and that it will never be the same as taking all kits to one dyno and doing one after the other, just though I'd point these things out.
The max number at 7500 is 366 however and not 362 so at that point it should look higher or at least the same but not under as it did from last night. In the range where that "bump"(not from the wastegate as that opens from about 4000rpm, it only looks like a bump because it went extremely rich shortly after but would other wise be a consistent part of the tq curve) keeps the tq curve above the mazsport curve it should reflect as higher in hp in this range like in the pic you posted above, but in the comparison thread it didn't look like this unless I am confusing some colors. Our TQ number, boost and name does still need to be changed. The rest is just for visualizing, so I understand.

Thanks for the help.

Chris

MM, I just looked in the comparison thread and it looks vey good!

Our TQ# is still 262 when it was actually 265 but I don't think its that important, we will post another dyno soon anyways ;).

Thanks for the help.

Chris

Sorry. Typo. I'll fix it.
When you have a scaled dyno sheet like that, the difference in 3 ft/lbs will not be visible in the curve.
As you can see in the raw version I posted above, your curve lays almost exactly over the MS curve.

Yeah I saw that. Its fine, I'm happy. We will hopefully follow up soon with another dyno anyways. Thanks for the help.

Chris

MM,

I just noticed that the price you are displaying in the comparison thread for our kit now reads $7170, this is not correct. The kit price is $6895 including the Int-X. I assume you added the ignition upgrade to that but that is not the correct number to be there....the kit price in the only thing that should be there simply because all other kits tested are not reflecting the other modifications people had made to their cars. The mazsport dyno run was done with the mazsport ignition solution installed and the one for the MM/BHR dyno run was Mysql's car which had the mazsport ignition solution installed as well. There might be more that had other "non-kit" additions too and we cant determine that so they should be left out. The prices displayed in the comparison thread for the other kits are the prices that the manufacturers are selling the kit for. None of these are taking into account other stuff such as different exhausts, gages, sparkplug wires, boost controllers, or anything else of the sort, therefore our ignition kit should not be added to the total kit cost as if that was the price of the kit. This is in effect changing our kit price from what we set it at and only we are allowed do such a thing.

I want to clarify that we are not trying to hide anything here and that is the reason we clearly stated that we had used the ignition upgrade first thing when I created this dyno thread, we just want to keep a fair/level playing field by comparing apples to apples. Please update this to the correct price of $6895

Thanks,

Chris

Great job Esmeril! Dynos and videos work absolute wonders in changing opinions... glad to see you guys come right back with some solid data and continue pushing the system. The Rx8 needs all the aftermarket support it can get, and these numbers look solid.

Nice numbers Chris,
Any ethanol in the future? :eyetwitch

Just to clarify, I lost 50 whp when I had that ignition on my car, so it's one dyno sheet I don't intend to post.

..I dunno...perhaps...;)

Chris

Oh ok, I take that back then. Still, the point of my post was to point out that other kits in the same graph are known to have been run with added cost upgrades and only the kit alone prices are shown in the box, our kit is running 91 pump fuel and it is running exactly what comes out of the box and nothing more. The only addition is the ignition upgrade because it is not possible to post a good dyno without it and we wanted to post a dyno that showed the capabilities of the kit.

****Edit: Computer problems caused me to see old data from the comparison thread so I removed this text****

Best regards,

Chris

Your dyno is listed in the thread. Perhaps MM was updating it? It shows 366/265 $7170

BTW congrats!

It is listed but it says 302hp and 227tq as of 8/28/08 at 11:00pm. If indeed MM is updating the thread then an apology is due on my part.

BTW, thanks for the props :)

Best regards,

Chris

Maybe I'm looking at the wrong thread?

Here is the thread

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=132628

Here is the dyno and your numbers show 366/265

http://www.mazdamaniac.com/images/misc/rx8club_hp.jpg

WTF???? I had not logged on this computer since last night. Apparently it was just recalling the pic from the cookies or something but it was coming up as what was there last time. I kept refreshing and it didn't do a thing until I hit shift+refresh and then it updated everything. Thanks pdxhak....And of course my sincere apologies MM.

Best regards,

Chris