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TrevorsTII 12-28-2011 11:15 AM

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ssspeedfreak 12-28-2011 02:02 PM

BDC has a video of a half bridge renni idling off the stock ecu without any tuning. I don't know how a full bridge would fair? At least a piggy back I'm sure.

Highway8 12-28-2011 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by ssspeedfreak (Post 4152586)
BDC has a video of a half bridge renni idling off the stock ecu without any tuning. I don't know how a full bridge would fair? At least a piggy back I'm sure.

AP custom tune will work.

reddozen 12-28-2011 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by ssspeedfreak (Post 4152586)
BDC has a video of a half bridge renni idling off the stock ecu without any tuning. I don't know how a full bridge would fair? At least a piggy back I'm sure.

It'll run... but not well. I don't recommend it. you'll be running REALLY lean.

And yea, an AP is more than enough to tune it. Why would you need an expensive tuning solution when $500~$600 will get you a plug and play unit with a tune (Access Port). It's just the best solution for the 8 unless you're doing an engine swap.

BTW,
Didn't get a divorce... lol

ssspeedfreak 12-28-2011 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by reddozen (Post 4152715)
It'll run... but not well. I don't recommend it. you'll be running REALLY lean.

And yea, an AP is more than enough to tune it. Why would you need an expensive tuning solution when $500~$600 will get you a plug and play unit with a tune (Access Port). It's just the best solution for the 8 unless you're doing an engine swap.

BTW,
Didn't get a divorce... lol

No offensive but there is truly only one person who can say if the AP will work.Also I wouldn't say running it like that is wise just mentioned it because its a hell of a lot easier to tune it if it idles. As for the hell it gave reddozen, when you venture into uncharted areas you have to expect some issues. Props to him for trying! If the car feels and drives like he wants then he got out of it what he wanted at least for now.

The extra power that can be had N/A is one idea. The better is what can be squeezed out of this FI!

ssspeedfreak 12-28-2011 06:18 PM

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BDC 12-29-2011 07:13 PM

Reddozen was the first Renesis BP I ever did. He was the live car guinea pig if I recall correctly. I think the AP worked for him from what I understand!

B

reddozen 12-29-2011 08:20 PM

AP tunes air and fuel. So as long as the engine is still a Renesis with the factory ECU, the AP can tune it.

WTBRotary! 12-29-2011 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by BDC (Post 4152103)
Agreed, but helping the engine breathe better per stroke always helps and I think it's worth exploring more on the Renesis in NA form.

B

Which is why sometime in the next year (fingers crossed) ill be sending you an email/PM...:wiggle:

TeamRX8 12-30-2011 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by ssspeedfreak (Post 4152728)
No offensive but there is truly only one person who can say if the AP will work.

No offense, but you are misinformed ...

ssspeedfreak 12-31-2011 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by TeamRX8 (Post 4153690)
No offense, but you are misinformed ...

This is on a full bridge..... I only know of one Renny full bridge tuned???

bse50 12-31-2011 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by ssspeedfreak (Post 4154567)
This is on a full bridge..... I only know of one Renny full bridge tuned???

If the intake is not some botched pvc pipework then the AP will work, no matter what kind of ports you have.

TeamRX8 12-31-2011 08:47 PM

repeating your frame of reference doesn't change my previous assessment of it :dunno:

ssspeedfreak 01-01-2012 01:17 PM

Who has tuned a full Bridge Renny? How could anyone say you can do it without actually have done it? I know Kane did a half Bridge but not a full. I'd like to actually have proof of the tune not just bla bla bla it can. I know first hand what a pain it is to tune this motor when the Rx7 guys are like yea I can do it. As for Mr. Meyer I'm sure its a stand alone race ECU.

PhillipM 01-01-2012 01:21 PM

There's two over here in the UK afaik

bse50 01-01-2012 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by ssspeedfreak (Post 4154881)
Who has tuned a full Bridge Renny? How could anyone say you can do it without actually have done it? I know Kane did a half Bridge but not a full. I'd like to actually have proof of the tune not just bla bla bla it can. I know first hand what a pain it is to tune this motor when the Rx7 guys are like yea I can do it. As for Mr. Meyer I'm sure its a stand alone race ECU.

The AP will do just fine.

dannobre 01-01-2012 01:46 PM

There is more than enough resolution in the stock ECU to run a bridgeported engine.....hell there is almost enough room in the stock calibration for it to run correctly .................+/- 25% is quite a big difference

So yes...the AP will work fine :)

ssspeedfreak 01-01-2012 10:18 PM


Originally Posted by PhillipM (Post 4154883)
There's two over here in the UK afaik

Great lets hear info from these guys!

TeamRX8 01-01-2012 11:29 PM


Originally Posted by ssspeedfreak (Post 4154881)
Who has tuned a full Bridge Renny? How could anyone say you can do it without actually have done it? I know Kane did a half Bridge but not a full. I'd like to actually have proof of the tune not just bla bla bla it can. I know first hand what a pain it is to tune this motor when the Rx7 guys are like yea I can do it. As for Mr. Meyer I'm sure its a stand alone race ECU.


the only blah-blah-blah is your own, you clearly are the one lacking the knowledge and insight here

your RX7 guy comment alone says it all

ssspeedfreak 01-02-2012 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by TeamRX8 (Post 4155154)
the only blah-blah-blah is your own, you clearly are the one lacking the knowledge and insight here

your RX7 guy comment alone says it all

Ok then again who here has tuned a full bridge Renny tune? Mark???????? Do you know what to encounter? Difficulties???? Who is so confident in the abilities both AP and themselves? I'll put up the motor and you can put up the tune (under my watchful eye)? I might have might have more first hand knowledge than you think.

bse50 01-02-2012 07:58 AM

You could understand why the AP will work in a bridgy just by studying what the stock pcm does and how the AP can modify it.
Heck, you could run a bridgeport off of a carburettor.

TeamRX8 01-02-2012 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by ssspeedfreak (Post 4155250)
Ok then again who here has tuned a full bridge Renny tune? Mark???????? Do you know what to encounter? Difficulties???? Who is so confident in the abilities both AP and themselves? I'll put up the motor and you can put up the tune (under my watchful eye)? I might have might have more first hand knowledge than you think.


You're not doing a very good job demonstrating it. The "watchful eye" comment gave me a good chuckle though.

reddozen 01-02-2012 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by ssspeedfreak (Post 4155250)
Ok then again who here has tuned a full bridge Renny tune? Mark???????? Do you know what to encounter? Difficulties???? Who is so confident in the abilities both AP and themselves? I'll put up the motor and you can put up the tune (under my watchful eye)? I might have might have more first hand knowledge than you think.

You really don't understand how the AP works do you.... If you did, you wouldn't be making these wild claims or prompting these silly questions.

If MM can tune a 350+HP turbo / supercharger setup with an AP, why would a bridge be any different?

Lets take it a step back...
What is a "Bridge Port"? Simple answer, a hole in the block to let more air in. That's it... More air requires more fuel, and the AP can adjust the fuel tables in the factory ECU. It can also adjust the scaling of the MAF to modify the perceived air flow through the motor.

porting work = more air
FI = more air

Both work, so please stop the silly questioning and learn what the AP is and how it works. You're over complicating things.

PhillipM 01-02-2012 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by ssspeedfreak (Post 4155097)
Great lets hear info from these guys!

They're from pro engine builders, don't seem too keen to let many details out, might have a dyno graph soon to share though.

bse50 01-02-2012 05:48 PM

Yeah... then you'll go P-Port. Wops, did I say too much? :D


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