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Brettus 07-30-2015 12:11 AM


Originally Posted by TeamRX8 (Post 4708399)
Huh, thought the first log where you said it was maxed out indicated 4.69, my bad then.

4.69 was the fuel trim on that log ... maf voltage wasn't logged .

TeamRX8 07-30-2015 12:37 AM

Ahh, just a coincidence it was the same number as the max OE MAF map voltage number then, lol

Brettus 07-30-2015 01:58 AM

Virtual dyno of first log


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...20b2b8e1ab.png

Brettus 07-30-2015 02:04 AM

maf and load vs rpm

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...2a89496610.png

Harlan 07-30-2015 07:27 AM

Comparing it to a NA dyno, it looks like you are making more power from 3k rpm on. It's a virtual dyno, so take it with a big grain of salt, but 10psi+ at 4k is nothing to sneeze at.

As you tune it out, you may get an earlier spool as well.

stinksause 07-30-2015 11:19 AM

^ i agree

I think .83 A/R combined with the following should lower spool by by 1k rpm or so

https://youtu.be/UQpSdFlGhus

Brettus 07-30-2015 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by Harlan (Post 4708453)
Comparing it to a NA dyno, it looks like you are making more power from 3k rpm on. It's a virtual dyno, so take it with a big grain of salt, but 10psi+ at 4k is nothing to sneeze at.

As you tune it out, you may get an earlier spool as well.

Yeah ... it's not terrible spool up ... just not anywhere near what I had hoped for .

FazdaRX_8 07-30-2015 05:13 PM

so you have the wastegate close at 1psi then reopen at full boost?

maybe i am missing something, did you try just running the wastegate like normal?

FazdaRX_8 07-30-2015 05:13 PM

is your ssv opening later or like OEM on this tune?

TeamRX8 07-30-2015 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by Harlan (Post 4708453)
10psi+ at 4k is nothing to sneeze at.

15 years ago maybe

hoss -05 07-30-2015 05:54 PM


*Replacing turbine housing with the 0.83A/R
Best decision ever~!

Brettus 07-30-2015 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by FazdaRX_8 (Post 4708597)
so you have the wastegate close at 1psi then reopen at full boost?

maybe i am missing something, did you try just running the wastegate like normal?

It's just set up normally but with a 4 port valve so it is powered closed as the turbo spools up

Brettus 07-30-2015 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by FazdaRX_8 (Post 4708598)
is your ssv opening later or like OEM on this tune?

Have not tried touching anything on the tune yet .... It's opening at 4000 as before .

Brettus 07-30-2015 07:24 PM

Getting there . This one at 16psi ... loads at 220% . No wastegateing issues as yet

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...4d57ac2375.png

Brettus 07-30-2015 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by hoss -05 (Post 4708605)
Best decision ever~!

I will be trying a small mod to the manifold instead ;)

hoss -05 07-30-2015 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4708615)
I will be trying a small mod to the manifold instead ;)

Go on......

TeamRX8 07-30-2015 07:42 PM

頑張ってブレッテス、頑張って!

Brettus 07-30-2015 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by hoss -05 (Post 4708616)
Go on......

The 0.83 idea will definitely improve spoolup but the effect top end will be a double whammy kinda deal . Less power due to higher backpressure at turbo AND siamese .

Gunna concentrate on getting the pulse energy back from the siamese port .
Don't feel like an argument over why it wont work right now . So I'll see if it does then post.

TeamRX8 07-31-2015 01:36 AM

You will need higher backpressure at the center port for effective boost control though. At your power level for that turbo I don't think the "whammy" is as much as you think it is.

But good luck with whatever direction you go from here.

Harlan 07-31-2015 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by TeamRX8 (Post 4708604)
15 years ago maybe

Having 10psi at 4k with a lot of headroom is different from having 10psi at 4k with no headroom. This is new and the results are promising.


Originally Posted by TeamRX8 (Post 4708648)
You will need higher backpressure at the center port for effective boost control though.

If he's controlling at 16psi then he does have sufficient backpressure on the wastegate. Scavenging some from the center port will be a tiny effect on the backpressure the wastegate sees. I'm more worried about crossover to the other side dropping efficiency, but we'll see what happens soon.

Brettus 07-31-2015 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by Harlan (Post 4708711)
This is new and the results are promising.

.

Thank you for recognising this .

One half of the goal is already achieved pretty much .... if I can get close on the other half (by improving spool), I think I can just about be justified in removing the question mark on the thread title.

TeamRX8 07-31-2015 12:22 PM

^^choosing to ignore silly commentary ...

Brettus 07-31-2015 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by Harlan (Post 4708711)
If he's controlling at 16psi .

Not only can I control 16 psi ... but down to 4 psi as well . If I put a 4 psi spring in and switch off the EBC.... I get exactly 4 psi all the way to redline .

I currently have a 6psi spring in and can dial up whatever boost I want .... that 4 port valve really is doing the trick !

stinksause 07-31-2015 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4708621)
The 0.83 idea will definitely improve spoolup but the effect top end will be a double whammy kinda deal . Less power due to higher backpressure at turbo AND siamese .

Gunna concentrate on getting the pulse energy back from the siamese port .
Don't feel like an argument over why it wont work right now . So I'll see if it does then post.

I like where your mind is - which scroll are you going to direct it to?

Brettus 07-31-2015 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by stinksause (Post 4708745)
I like where your mind is - which scroll are you going to direct it to?

The one that passes by very closely (front rotor)


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