lol

 

This is not official or anything, but I just received an email from Richard, he says the project is not dead and they are working on the efficiency. Not much news, but it gives me some hope.

 

Well that's good.

 

I have had touble following this latest twist and turn. What gave someone the perception that the project status had changed for the worse?

 

The project status has not changed in 2 years.

 

i believe its dead because it doesnt add a decent amount in horsepower.

 

this wouldn't be a modification to add a mass amount of HP, instead, think of it as something to give it just that little extra bit of kick. some of us aren't looking for a huge boost...if we were we'd just bolt on some huge turbo or somesuch. ^_^

 

I guess that depends on how you define "mass amount", "huge boost" and “little extra bit of kick". For me "little extra bit of kick" would be between 25 and 50 HP, and in that case, it would not be worth installing, "mass amount" would be something 150 to 200 HP, which would probably require upgrades to the drive train and would be a larger project that I would be willing to tackle. The right amount of boost for me would probably be round 100 HP.

It’s all about the numbers...and of course price is one of those too. So hopefully the numbers RP finely release will be in the right ballpark for a lot of people so he can recoup his expenses on the project and make some money for his effort.

 

Unfortunately the window of opportunity is closing...

The turbo kits are all starting to come down in price...

For example...

$5k gets you either a turbo kit, or a supercharger...

SC ~ +80-175 WHP
TC ~ +100-400* WHP (*theoretically if they solve the ignition issue)

So for the same money the real question is...what is my long term goal?

A few AFSC pages ago...the rough estimates were that the AFSC kit would be ~$5k.

So....if it is ever released I am sure a few people would purchase it....but a majority will purchase whatever is going to give them the biggest "number" which unfortunately I do not think the AFSC will provide.

It would have to priced lower or have a compelling feature in the face of the current competition. And that problem is only going to get worse as time goes on.

 

Well there is another variable that is often overlooked.

Drivability...

How easy will it be to drive?

How comfortable?

How smooth?

To me drivability is an important aspect.

I have a tough time adding something that is going to make me not like my car half of the time.

A good example is stiff coilovers or springs, yes they can add performance but on rough roads they ask the question: "Should I have left it stock?"

 

That and ease of install. Theoretically a supercharger is safer than a turbo.

 

I saw the pure advantage of this sc being packaging.

No intercooler, and it's compact size and light weight would have made it a great addition for track cars. And without the intercooler, there's nothing fighting the radiator and such for air coming through the nose.

It may not have offered the most hp, but rarely do I see any track guys on this forum cry about how they need more hp. And for the extra 80-90 bhp that this SC would have offered, that would be enough I'm sure to move the RX-8 from NASA TTD class car to maybe even as high as a TTB.

 

Right, and for all those reasons I was willing to wait for it...

But...tis the season...and as soon as I get my money...the cash isnt the only thing thats gonna get blown...

Quite possibly the motor in all likelihood...haa

 

A Swiss axial flow compressor from 1964:

http://www.equipnet.com/browse/asset...id=17&acro=MKT

Rated: 108500CFM @ 14.3Psig, discharge, 50Psig, feeding a secondary axial flow compressor, rated 38000CFM @ 42Psig, discharge 120Psig @ 85 deg F.

 

theoratically a supercharger is better than a turbo charger in there is less to maintain and less parts that can go wrong, easier install

but I would prefer a turbo over a supercharger in the modability and fun factor

 

108,500 cfm would be more than 14psi on the renesis, if my math is correct.

 

A couple more!

 

Please don't open that can of worms again...

 

Actually it is 108,500 cfm, 50 psi (1st stage)
and 38,000 cfm, 120 psi (2nd stage)

but what I found most interesting: 120 psi @ 85 deg F !

(14.3 psi is atmospheric pressure at intake.)

 

Sorry to get off topic (as if it hasn't been done already) but is there any word from Hymee? He kind of dropped off the planet after SSX.

 

This is interesting. Novidem centrifugal kompressor for RX8 @ 320ps. Novidem's kompressor has low end grunt plus top end to boot.

http://rx8-ff.boards.sunhost.de/wbb2...8b2940ffa6d597

 

Have you guys seen the Jackson Racing rotrex s/c for the S2000? They are claiming 400hp 280tq 10psi @ $6495, ecu flash et al.

They also have a 5psi 300whp @ $5495 with piggy back CARB certified.

 

to unsubscribe or not, that is the question.

 

I'm ready to unsuscribe. Now were down to talking about s/c for other cars. Family talk, air planes, sex and lack of response was fine but other cars - I'm done.

 

What differance does it make?