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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 10:48 AM
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So what if he wears a helmet and rides the short bus...
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 01:04 PM
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+100 hp with out an intercooler or some other sort of cooling (water injection...) is true testament to the efficiency of an axial flow compressor.
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 01:43 PM
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I would not know what to do with 100 more hp. Will an intercooler of some type be available for cars that see track time or would it not be required? I know that roots and screw s/c produce a lot of heat. I am getting that this will not produce any where near that type of heat.
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 02:08 PM
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Dave See first few posts - where RP explains efficiencies

I'm very interested to see how soon this thing starts to boost ...
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 03:06 PM
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It’s a supercharger it produce boost as soon as you open the throttle……

I think your question is more along of what is the boost profile.

AFSC produce boost in a linear manner

For example
1 psi at 1krpm,
2 psi at 2kRPM
3psi at 3kRPM
...ect


But is not necessarily 1:1 linear

However pressure is not what you should be looking at.....
Its how much air mass you can get to flow into the combustion chamber (also out)

Pressure is just one way to get that mass flow; there comes a turning point where temperature rise due to compression decreases the amount of density increases you get from the added pressure; anything over that pressure causes an rapid increases in charge temperatures having a net effect of a diminishing density increases vs. pressure rise.

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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 03:14 PM
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I just re-read the first 12 pages. I have a headache now.
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 09:06 PM
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Boost comes online a bit later than most think it will and at a different rate than most think it does. I'm not going to say anymore until Richard finally shows us a plot of it. He is always changing things around and what works today may not necessarily apply tomorrow.
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 10:42 PM
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Think "centrifugal" in terms of boost curve.
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 10:25 AM
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Just for clarifications sake, this isn't a jet engine.
Gee thanks, I really thought it was a jet engine (sarcasm)
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 12:09 PM
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Is Richard on vacation?
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Nemesis8
Is Richard on vacation?
He's probably working on his Corvette project...
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 01:16 PM
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He's not on vacation and will be posting here later today with updates.
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 01:27 PM
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Forgive us. We are very impatient and very excited.

Yahooo! We are getting an update. We are getting an update!


Thank you.
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul
He's not on vacation and will be posting here later today with updates.
Sweet, I am anticipating hearing it.
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 02:31 PM
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Sweet, I am anticipating hearing it.
I'll second that.
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 02:37 PM
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I'm holding my breath in anticipation!
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 03:38 PM
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I'm turning blue here!
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 04:24 PM
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Oooooo

Registered JUST to keep tabs on this...interesting to say the least...
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 06:55 PM
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Are we there yet...
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 07:39 PM
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 08:23 PM
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Spill it RP!
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 08:39 PM
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 09:05 PM
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this thread is preventing me from writing my thesis. Hurry up so i can stop checking it every 10 minutes.....

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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 09:57 PM
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Guess I'd better step up here. We have been working on productionizing things and lining up vendors. Seems like forever to get others motivated, I mean just because I want it NOW and pay them later and they should do it for free. WTF
Next comes the real hang up, we are not getting our reflash from the source we wanted. It may happen but not right now. We are working with two other sources now but don't have their hardware on our car yet. We are doing tuning with a system that will not be coming with our kit.

Next we have a new test bench under construction. This has more power and variable frequency speed control. We also have some data aquisition hardware that if we can get it working will help alot.

There is another hang up that is winding it's way through the pipeline, legal pipeline that is. We can't sell anything until our patent applications are accepted. They don't have to be approved or anything like that, just accept the damn application. That means............ I don't know. Hell, I'm a pervert not a lawyer.

As to your question about the curve, I answered this before but RG is right, or close for as he says I change things alot. I can't break the laws of physics so it will be between the radial flow and positive displacement types. It's all explained somewhere at the beginning.

While I can't break the laws of physics I can bend the rules a little. I do this by moving the efficiency points. That's a small change in overall curves as you will see it. But it is not like a centrifugal (yes I'm talking to you MM) I can't make it do that just as I can't make it work like a PD. If will still be like textbooks say it will.... I mean close thereto.

We haven't taken it to a road course yet but we will. I'm going to drive it up to Lake Tahoe in a few weeks for some cold weather testing. Because of the tight tolerances and it being aluminum cold weather could do things we don't expect.
Hopefully we allowed for all that though. We've already done hot tests. It would be nice if we get to do these with the aluminum manifold that we don't have ready yet, but close.

Anyway a high speed drive up the 5 and up the mountain will be a good test. And a fun drive, I hope. Is there room for chains on these things? I don't plan on getting caught in a storm but it does happen. I think they make some real low clip on thingies for this sort of car. Any bad weather owners have tips for me? There's plenty of time to be prepared. What about the fog light thing? I heard there is a fix for this. What a luxury I have, never worrying about these things, you poor souls.

I'm going out and buying winter tires and wheels just for one trip, am I?

If I forgot anyones questions I'm sure you'll let me know.
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 10:25 PM
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So what happens if the patents don’t get approved? The government is very slow and patents can take a long time to get approved. I know how long it takes, I have several patents for software, and a couple of them took years to get approved, so are you thinking this could be a year or two away?

I can hardly wait for this supercharger to be released, it’s going to make my RX-8 fun again. I moved from Dallas to Salt Lake City, 4000 feet makes a big difference.
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