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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 09:19 AM
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Richard,
Never ever have I felt you have given us BS. If I came across that way I apologize.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by kristopher_d
While no one wants a rush job, if the Super Charger is ready, then right BUSINESS choice would be to market with a piggy back system.
Right, like the GReddy turbo system - where more than a couple of people have blown up their engines due to a poorly designed, rushed kit with an inadequate piggy back system. I suppose if GReddy's attitude to customer support is "caveat emptor", then that's a good business choice, as long as their business model isn't counting on repeat business and word of mouth impact...

I will guarentee that sales have been lost due to the wait.
Yes, as above, some people will have bought the GReddy turbo system instead of waited for a well developed system. Those that did got a kit that was poorly engineered (reference recent posts about poorly located BOV, IIRC) and a poorly implemented piggyback controller. Some people did/do want a rush job, and they ended up with a crap system. How many other rushed turbo systems have we seen announced, then ended up with "the turbo is ready, but the electronics aren't"?

Maybe the Interceptor is working out as a good piggy-back, but otherwise, the piggy-back systems for the RX-8 aren't encouraging. Band-aid solutions at best...
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 10:03 AM
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I was at Axialflow, I did see the supercharger mounted on a 13b engine. No BS from Richard. If the supercharger is going to be as good as the shifter, it will be another quality product for Axialflow. Thanks again..........
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 10:16 AM
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Did you see a new intake manifold also?
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jrb_dakine
I was at Axialflow, I did see the supercharger mounted on a 13b engine. No BS from Richard. If the supercharger is going to be as good as the shifter, it will be another quality product for Axialflow. Thanks again..........
Come on...he gave you licence to spill your guts You have to do better than this
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 10:46 AM
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^^^what dannobre said^^^ lets hear it!!!
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 11:17 AM
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RP, your mouthpiece's phrasing is... underwhelming... please those pics and a bit of discourse ... no one here minds you telling us straight out....
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 11:55 AM
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Ok, what was going on was a unit was spining on the test rig and the first front inlet unit was mounted on the spare engine. The new front inlet unit also has a new mounting system where it is raised up and the stock oil fill manifold is reinstalled. This part is a pain to replace as it has several functions. So now they remain standard.

There is a discharge fixture on the blower waiting for a 3" elbow to be welded on it. We cut the stock manifold up to see how everything will work. If the damn thing were aluminum it would work by just cutting and welding here and there. I'll get you a picture.

There is no hood clearance problem but it may require a new strut brace. Dunno yet. The front volute is in billet so there is alot of excess material on it but we will try and trim some off before it goes in the car.

We ran the test unit well into the late afternoon just taking temp and pressure readings. Basicly putting some miles on it and reinforcing our prior numbers.
I haven't ploted the results yet. (We are poor and have no data board, just write them down) Hand do the calcs. Well Dana had a little program built into his calculator but he dropped it and now it's gone.

Hey Turbine_pwr, didn't you tell me there were some sort of programs I can get for free on the net??

I'll go in today and get you some pictures. I know you like pictures. God knows if it is worth me not typing a thousand words per, then I should do it.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul
There is no hood clearance problem but it may require a new strut brace. Dunno yet.
I would like to keep my Mazdaspeed strut tower brace at all costs.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Nemesis8
I would like to keep my Mazdaspeed strut tower brace at all costs.
I second that... and hopefully since it has a much better clearance than the POS stock bar RP can get his AFSC to fit under it.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Nemesis8
I would like to keep my Mazdaspeed strut tower brace at all costs.

No one is going to take it away from you. It just might wind up hanging on the wall behind your desk.

All joking aside it may just clear. I can't say for sure untill it's in the car, it's that close. Now if in fact it offers more clearance then everyone might have to get one.
Of course the one I build will be in the kit and be cheaper anyway.

Then again it will match the carbon fiber inlet adapter on front of the SC.
A little tease for you.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Aseras
you want a rushed piece of crap? Seems to me the supercharger is done it's the integration that is being delt with. The ecu/managment and install are where the finesse is at. Building something is cake,. making it integrate well with a "black box" isn't.
No, I’m not saying I want a piece of crap. I think this supercharger is going to be better than anything that is currently for sale. I just think it would be nice to have some kind of time frame, even if that time frame has to be continually adjusted. Put an expected date somewhere on your web site, that would give people a reason to check it every week or so, it would be good marking for something so many people are waiting for.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 02:22 PM
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Before May 15, 2007...there...we have a date...now we just have to get Richard to agree

I feel much better now
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul
Then again it will match the carbon fiber inlet adapter on front of the SC.
Now you did it , where does the inlet adapter suck in air from?
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 08:34 PM
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This thread has passed the speed of light with the number of views BTW.



Speed of Light = 186,282.397 miles per second
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Nemesis8
Now you did it , where does the inlet adapter suck in air from?

How did I know it would be you?
Got your interest huh?
When I get a way to transfer the pictures I just took you will see the light.
My computer at home sucks so I can't get the pictures from the camera into it. I was going to email them from the shop but I cant find a send button on that one.
I'm an idiot OK? Anyway Dana is on his way in and he can mail them to me then I'll mail them to someone like Ajax to post up for me. It might take a couple hours but it should be tonight. I have a backup in the way of a girlfriend who does comp work for a living coming in tonight to Burbank airport from up state. She will be late but that's the backup.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Nemesis8
This thread has passed the speed of light with the number of views BTW.



Speed of Light = 186,282.397 miles per second

Or about 7 times around the earth.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 08:37 PM
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richard if you need a computer for the home i can send you my sff carputer to use. and yes i am serious!!!!!

beers
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul
No one is going to take it away from you. It just might wind up hanging on the wall behind your desk.

All joking aside it may just clear. I can't say for sure untill it's in the car, it's that close. Now if in fact it offers more clearance then everyone might have to get one.
Of course the one I build will be in the kit and be cheaper anyway.

Then again it will match the carbon fiber inlet adapter on front of the SC.
A little tease for you.
Are you going to include a "brace" for the brake master cylinder as well... like the Mazdaspeed one?
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kristopher_d
While no one wants a rush job, if the Super Charger is ready, then right BUSINESS choice would be to market with a piggy back system. That was the plan mentioned more than several months ago, and recent developments with regard to reflashing the stock ECU are, at present, strictly speculative. There is, without a doubt, such a thing as over perfecting. Yes, reflashing the stock ECU would be ideal, but not an absolutely component. I will guarentee that sales have been lost due to the wait. Especially the wait with no indication of the wait ending. I know the engineers want it to be absolutely perfect before it goes to market. I also know that when companies wait to "perfect" a product, they sell considerably fewer of the product than the marketing types expect because the people who simply want the benefits offered will find another supplier. Anyone who gets upset when target dates aren't met is bound to get upset regardless, so give us a target date. There is less than ZERO risk in publishing "target" dates. There is huge risk in silence. The engineer in me sympathizes. The businessman in me hasn't become impatient, yet, but that's more due to a lack of funds on my end than anything else.
In other words, **** or get off the pot, Richard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 10:04 PM
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Oh yeah, and come on with the flamage!!!!!!!!!
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 10:26 PM
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Harumph! Ask not what your fellow RX-8ers can do for you, but what you can do for your fellow RX-8ers

It is incredibly easy to sit on the sidelines and take pot-shots. My advice: resist that temptation
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 10:39 PM
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It is so easy I can't stand it.
But thanks for the advice my FELLOW RX-8er.
And if that is wrong, I don't want to be right.........
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 11:17 PM
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There are just some Texans........... Wait, I can't say that.... I spent a lot of time there. Gainsville, Denton. Another time.

I got some pictures off to Ajax who usually does these things for me. There are pictures that will show we have not been playing hookie. So don't dock my pay.
After they are posted I will make comments on them.
I think you'll like the progress. And it's speeding up from here, the manifold should be done in a couple of weeks maybe less.
I wil go through the other side of the blower when you can see what it looks like.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 11:21 PM
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And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is how it's done.
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