Anyone running a Big turbo on alcohol ?
 

I always wondered what the side port RX8 would do with a GT45 or GT55 like the old school drag race guys.. I am going to use a rennesis short block with the stock side port in a 1st gen turbo alky car...looking forward to seeing what the temps are like once we push 45lbs and above.

I post any updates on this post.. ..

some links to my type of rotary powered cars..
http://www.jrspeed.com/
http://www.zoommagazine.com.au/
http://wickedphotoracing.com/
http://www.grs-motorsports.com/
http://www.jrspeed.com/images/torres.png
http://wljphotography.com/index.html

good luck with that

I think you bought an 8 for the wrong season. 8's were not built for drag racing, instead they were meant for cornering and road racing, hence the lack of top end power. But, with enough money and effort I suppose anything is possible. I would have started with an rx-7 though if I were you. Good Luck.

this may be of interest to you ...
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-major-horsepower-upgrades-93/mazdatrix-turbo-renesis-205790/

Bro..I am going to try the renesis shortblock over the 12a and 13Bs that i am used to. my intentions are to use my current 13B drag setup on a rx8 shortblock.
I am going to first clean up the ports and strengthen the short-block with oversize tention bolts from the guys at Goopy Performance
http://www.goopyperformance.com/content/engine-bolts

I may go with external oiling just in case the front iron cracks.

the appropriate response to the above is found here: https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...3&postcount=48

Have seen a couple of vendors selling oversized bolts with similar claims to gloopy .........

you are in for a lesson, a Renesis is not a 13B

be sure to copy Rotary Inspired on your results because is also under the same mistaken impression per his comments in the GT3582R thread ....

Bro i dont know what rock you have been living under but this company is big in the drag racing scene in the east coast, florida and puerto rico..i have seen tons of cars running their stuff so i dont know where you would come up with this type of response.. gound this on google http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYemBRtGP9U

I know the exhaust ports are in a different orientation..

considering the quote, you'd be more direct in directing your comments to RotaryGod. If he would acknowledge and have any response, it'd be interesting to see what he had to say to you

and if you think thats the difference between the motors, you have a lot to learn

anyway, we dont wanna rain on any parades, so ignore us.

go out and build this monster, and let us know how it does

Dudes, this guy is serious!

Didn't you SEE the link to wickedphotoracing.com?!??!!11?

sorry, i missed it. must have been my head still spinning from the link he provided where I saw a 1) feeler gauge 2) SS wire brush 3) pair of files.... being sold for $75

hey thanks for the link..i will watch and see what the boys at MT are able to pull off, but to be honest with you I am looking to push the renesis to the 800-900hp range.
Keeping the exhaust side of the rotor housing cool will be the challenge.

theres a reason no one here is doing the things your talking about.

you arent the first ones to come here talking like this. your about the 300th. all of whom were prior 13B monster enginer builder types. what you've done so far, talk, is about a dime a dozen. so I hope you understand why we all laugh at you when you just come waltzing in talking about 800+hp renesis motors, when no one has even been within 300 or so of that number.

secondly, no one here in their right mind would dare tell you to us an AccessPort on a project like you're referring to. And if that's REALLY what you took away from the other discussion, then I politely question your intelligence to build even a lego car

at this point, no one here will take either of you seriously unless you actually DO something

^ Well put.

Hey paul don't waste his time, he knows everything about rotaries and tunes.
We, for sure, don't know sh!t. Who cares if we install motec, bosch or magneti marelli ecus on each and every race car we build but then praise the accessPORT for the street driven cars :)
I wish i was dumb at times, i could read such posts thinking "omg he is so badass!"

wasnt trying to be an E-thug. or even offensive. Was simply trying convey to you why you have been, and will be responded to the way you have seen. Its just the way it is.

Helpful information is availible by the truck load all over this forum. But seeing as how no one has come within at least 300hp of the goals mentioned above... ummmm, no one here is gonna be able to help you are they? If they could, it'd probably mean someone has been there and done that.

Thanks for calling me a clown and i'm sorry you don't appreciate the love that bonds Paul and me :) ROFL!
Talking about ecus here is pointless, for that goals a standalone is mandatory so that's a moot point.
The problem with the renesis is the inherent limit of the side exhaust ports (Unless you do it à la mazdatrix). Just see how much they can flow and match a turbo to that, there lays your limit.

Trust me, if it could have been done, it would have been done already in the last 7 years. It's not like the Renny is new.

I understand your optimism, I was turboing (sic) Honda's back when they said we would never break 11's in the 1/4 mile in a DOHC Honda and by the time I left the Honda scene, people were in the 10's naturally aspirated and soem were/are making over 700HP on a blown SOHC Honda motor.

:icon_no2:, Hate to say it but this is sort of true to some extent..... I can think of a few people nearby who don't like to share anything with forums. I know of a 450whp renesis but his rebuilds are sooner than mine....

I don't know of anyone on here who has seriously attempted a Renesis E85 (that's what you meant right) build on this forum. It's mostly uncharted territory around here, although it's pretty much *yawn* for Evo/STi.

Just make sure you have enough of a fuel system.

Chris from Esmeril was doing it . IIRC he was in the 500 region before having a mishap on the dyno ...

Oh and that 450whp was using the Esmeril kit, atleast thats what I was told.

Where is Chris by the way? I thought I read in one of his threads that driving at those power levels (500whp) was unreliable on the renesis :Wconfused. Then again 500whp is not the most reliable setup for most "street" driven vehicles nor would it be needed for everyday use...

^he did, i recall it. and i havent seen a peep since the dyno incident times

he sold his kit to someone on here and went on to other things ...

fixed, there's a moral to the story in there somewhere ... :wink2:

you can probably get 600 hp, but if it goes boom 10 seconds later then you haven't accomplished sh-t, not sure why everybody acts like something great occurred, all I ever saw was excuse after excuse, the proof was in the getting out and walking away ...

true story

I liked her ....

http://www.wickedphotoracing.com/Mdel/2.jpg

this'll be good. I hope you do it. In any case, it'll be interesting along the way

No need to try to be an e-thug, Paul. You come by it naturally. As far as the rest, yes, its true, but you tend to deliver information with derision, a basebal bat and brass knuckles instead of a helpful attitude.

Well, atleast delivering the info in such a way keeps the "arguments" interesting...

Dyno queen party of 1.

you mean like this?
http://www.rpgminiatures.com/acatalog/MountainTroll.jpg

you mean like so? https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=205790

eh, call me an asshole then :jerkit:

as long as thats not a WoW character, then fuck yes:rock:

Mazdatrix has not even "pushed" that motor yet... To be honest, he might as well go through with it as there is always room for improvement even if it isn't the "norm".

Oh well...

i think you need to work on your reading comprehension

bold for your edification

wait, wait, wait ... like now maybe you admit that some of us did know what we were talking about and the solution is to modify it into a non-Renesis configuration .... holy sh-t Buckwheat :shocking:

no, I still think you can make 450+ reliably on the renesis, but w/ a different config than what most are using. I also think most of the exhaust manis are wrong and the turbos and exhaust housings on the turbos are too small increasing heat and back pressure. I am not sure why I would share this info w/ you anyways.

I have said since early 06 before all the turbo kit craze that the side ports will never flow as much as the PP exhaust, will be a restriction and cause heat. This is obvious and doesn't require rocket science.

When trying to make 800+ every option should be avail. and he is going to have to experiment to get there. GSL-SE housings are the cheapest 13B housings available and also have the coolant o-ring grooves in the rotor housing opposed to the 86-95 housings. When going that big you have to get it in and out as fast as possible.

Have you noticed he hasn't posted back after all the awesome response he got on here?

What is with some of you guys on here?? You keep beating the same subjects over and over. Are you that bored in life?? Sometimes I feel I am in Jr high on this forum.

Again appreciate all your insight.

you have just inspired me ... I am rooting for you

the key words are "you think"

when are you actually going to show more than you can type unsubstantiated ideas? I ask this as a forum member who has proposed unaccepted Renesis setup ideas and then shown results that back them up. Talking the talk without ever walking the walk is as junior high school as it gets ... show us teh money, honey ...


Trying to inspire someone else to prove your big hp theories is easy. It's no money out of your pocket when it goes boom. If I understand you correctly, you're proposing a large exhaust turbine A/R as a means of reducing high rpm backpressure. This is an understandable theory given a lack of understanding about just how restrictive the side port exhaust is at the high flow levels required to achieve that power level along with the actual mechanical physics that will occur at the side port entry lip and side port seals. High octane fuel will not overcome this reality. On top of that, you're bottom end will suck donkey d-ck. We obviously have a different philosophy on what the term "reliable" means or your theories are only that. Again, throw your 13B experience out the window. This ain't Kansas, Toto.




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I have nothing to prove to you and could care less what you say. You obviously take great pride in being an internet know it all. +1 for you on that matter.:biggthump

You have yet to contribute any useful information in any of these threads where you attempt to prove me wrong. How about helping someone w/ all this info you have instead of bashing everyone??????:dunno:

You state that you want proof of everything I say. Well,I want to see all your proof. Post up your builds there, sweetie. Otherwise the pot is black.:xyxwave:

I already stated that I know the issues about the side ports long ago in another post. Thanks for repeating yourself. :rolleyes:

Am I going to build an rx8 right now? No, I sold mine this last year. Did I have a manifold fully built? Yes, for a 60-1 T4 w/ a .84 exhaust and it had fully divided runners. Does it make sense to build such a kit and market it? No, the market is so small and the cost is very high. Not many people are going to pay for 7K (on the low side) for a turbo kit, engine management and fuel system when the cars can be bought for 10K or less. Yes the cost would be that high to sell after I finished my product. The reason I never pursued it any farther. It's not that I hadn't figured it all out. It just didn't make financial sense. :scratchhe

I personally know of a 13B-msp producing 500 running around. Is that person on here? Nope. Will you believe it? Probably not. Do I care? No.

I am starting to wonder why I reply to you and don't just put you on ignore.:dunno:

BTW I can use smiley icons too. :eek:

he has.

and he has, still IIRC, the highest NA dyno's of any member here. and very respectable numbers even in terms of what professionals have done with equal/similar setups

^This is true...

You called out the wrong member...
Just because Team acts like an asshole doesn't mean he actually is. Well, maybe he is too rofl.

He can be but we wouldn't have it any other way :lol:. We would all freak out if team's posts were like, "Hey buddy, welcome to the forums. I would be glad to share my extensive exhaust system knowledge to help you determine what exhaust would be ideal for your 2004 Base Auto. And if you ever need any help in choosing a twin turbo system for your RX-8 please feel free to PM at anytime" :lol:

I completely agree. Each member's personality adds up to the state of the art madness that this forum is.

^+1