400 whp
09-08-2007, 03:30 PM
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no to add to an argument but i agree with everyone else, if scott says it, its true! He does very beautiful things with rotary engines! From my perspective, he is one of the best in the nation for rotaries and I have heard others say the same. Scott told me himself, 374, so of course its true! There is no doubt that with him installing and tuning his kits, you will get what the ad says . . up to 400 whp. Just depends on when you stop spending!
09-08-2007, 03:57 PM
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I totally agree with you. He is one of the top tuners bar none. Producing 374Rwhp is amazing at this point in time for a Reni engine. Not to many people can claim those numbers.
The whole point is the kit has a description which states for that price 400rwhp is attainable. Not needing deeper pocket to get to the 400rwhp.
Maybe it should be cahnged to 370 rwhp.
As an average consumer that would be what I would expect.
When I purchased my S/C from Pettit all the information stated 265 rwhp and that was also what they told me. I got 267 rwhp minor difference but if I would have gotten 260rwhp it was still close.
For the amount of money invested the difference between 400rwhp and 374rwhp is large. At least thats my opinion.
The whole point is the kit has a description which states for that price 400rwhp is attainable. Not needing deeper pocket to get to the 400rwhp.
Maybe it should be cahnged to 370 rwhp.
As an average consumer that would be what I would expect.
When I purchased my S/C from Pettit all the information stated 265 rwhp and that was also what they told me. I got 267 rwhp minor difference but if I would have gotten 260rwhp it was still close.
For the amount of money invested the difference between 400rwhp and 374rwhp is large. At least thats my opinion.
09-08-2007, 04:45 PM
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Even to hit 370 WHP on the stock ignition, you'd have to tune awfully lean and agressive. Not the kind of a tune Id want to ride my car to and from work in 100F day. 12.2AF or close to that on mine and at 14 psi it starts acting up. I don't have the ***** to go any leaner at that pressure. What pressure did Scott run I wonder to hit that #
PS.
I am not trying to discredit Mazsport, but I am curious. I wouldn't be surprised to find that Scott had something else up his sleeve to help him get that spark zapping.
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I am not trying to discredit Mazsport, but I am curious. I wouldn't be surprised to find that Scott had something else up his sleeve to help him get that spark zapping.
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09-08-2007, 06:29 PM
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They are the last people that need to prove anything to anyone so I'm not sure why you are saying their results are nothing more than speculation. Just because you personally haven't seen their dyno numbers doesn't mean they don't exist or the rest of us haven't seen any of them. I assure you they've topped 370 rwhp.
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Why does everyone kiss Mazsport butt? They are a company just the same as all the others. Sorry to break it to you guys but if you make claims you gotta have proof. Not too many people spends thousands on promises. I don't doubt they made 374 but like the others have said it was probably on a tune that you wouldnt drive to work on.
Give me a break if you say something and you are asking a lot of money of course you have to have proof before someone hands over 10 g's are you guys nutz??
All these kits say capable of up to 400+ whp, and there is the new Esmeril kit that says the same stuff for $6500 so you don't have to spend over $10,000 and they also break it down for you and let you know that you can't make more than 340 hp until their ignition system is done. Some kits like the mazsport do use a couple of nicer parts like their exhaust manifold, but all have same numbers. They all need an ignition upgrade.
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09-08-2007, 10:19 PM
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i dunno about the tune, i do know that 99% of what mazsport has done has been on conservative tunes; the specifics on the level of boost and a/f i don't have.
I am a mazsport tuned 8, running only 9.5 psi of boost on a smaller (larger cfm than greddy turbo) garrett, and I got 270ish to the rear wheels, very conservative tune too. So all the turbo gurus do the math, but i would think with the larger turbos in the mazsport kits, the bigger injectors, the fuel pump, more boost, yea you got the hp way up there.
I am a mazsport junkie now though, haha.
I am a mazsport tuned 8, running only 9.5 psi of boost on a smaller (larger cfm than greddy turbo) garrett, and I got 270ish to the rear wheels, very conservative tune too. So all the turbo gurus do the math, but i would think with the larger turbos in the mazsport kits, the bigger injectors, the fuel pump, more boost, yea you got the hp way up there.
I am a mazsport junkie now though, haha.
09-08-2007, 10:48 PM
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i dunno about the tune, i do know that 99% of what mazsport has done has been on conservative tunes; the specifics on the level of boost and a/f i don't have.
I am a mazsport tuned 8, running only 9.5 psi of boost on a smaller (larger cfm than greddy turbo) garrett, and I got 270ish to the rear wheels, very conservative tune too. So all the turbo gurus do the math, but i would think with the larger turbos in the mazsport kits, the bigger injectors, the fuel pump, more boost, yea you got the hp way up there.
I am a mazsport junkie now though, haha.
I am a mazsport tuned 8, running only 9.5 psi of boost on a smaller (larger cfm than greddy turbo) garrett, and I got 270ish to the rear wheels, very conservative tune too. So all the turbo gurus do the math, but i would think with the larger turbos in the mazsport kits, the bigger injectors, the fuel pump, more boost, yea you got the hp way up there.
I am a mazsport junkie now though, haha.
But you put down 270ish on conservative tune which is Mazsports 374 (More than 100% of what you put down over stock) - 100. HUGE difference.
09-10-2007, 07:18 AM
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yea but my point was that if I am putting down that much on a conservative tune and much smaller turbo than the kits, there is no doubt with more cfm, more boost and more fuel .. .400
09-10-2007, 10:06 AM
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Why does everyone kiss Mazsport butt? They are a company just the same as all the others. Sorry to break it to you guys but if you make claims you gotta have proof. Not too many people spends thousands on promises. I don't doubt they made 374 but like the others have said it was probably on a tune that you wouldnt drive to work on.
Give me a break if you say something and you are asking a lot of money of course you have to have proof before someone hands over 10 g's are you guys nutz??
All these kits say capable of up to 400+ whp, and there is the new Esmeril kit that says the same stuff for $6500 so you don't have to spend over $10,000 and they also break it down for you and let you know that you can't make more than 340 hp until their ignition system is done. Some kits like the mazsport do use a couple of nicer parts like their exhaust manifold, but all have same numbers. They all need an ignition upgrade.
Why does everyone kiss Mazsport butt? They are a company just the same as all the others. Sorry to break it to you guys but if you make claims you gotta have proof. Not too many people spends thousands on promises. I don't doubt they made 374 but like the others have said it was probably on a tune that you wouldnt drive to work on.
Give me a break if you say something and you are asking a lot of money of course you have to have proof before someone hands over 10 g's are you guys nutz??
All these kits say capable of up to 400+ whp, and there is the new Esmeril kit that says the same stuff for $6500 so you don't have to spend over $10,000 and they also break it down for you and let you know that you can't make more than 340 hp until their ignition system is done. Some kits like the mazsport do use a couple of nicer parts like their exhaust manifold, but all have same numbers. They all need an ignition upgrade.
09-10-2007, 02:00 PM
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09-10-2007, 02:01 PM
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If anyone has hit 370 rwhp (and they have), then there is already a 400 hp Renesis out there. Factory rates in crank power. Aftermarket measures at the wheels. Big difference. 370 rwhp is over 400 crank.
09-10-2007, 03:02 PM
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^That is true actually.
By the way, RG, I think you got confused with the messages. The "garage mechanic" is the messed up quote over quote directed to me by my good buddy mac11
Rocketman1976 is just not into Mazsport too much (for whatever his reasons are).
By the way, RG, I think you got confused with the messages. The "garage mechanic" is the messed up quote over quote directed to me by my good buddy mac11
Rocketman1976 is just not into Mazsport too much (for whatever his reasons are).
09-10-2007, 03:16 PM
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Claiming that Scott/Mazsport is reputable and his word is good is not "kiss Mazsport Butt" it is the reputation that shop has gained within our community. Many have found Scott/Mazsport to have high integrity. That kind of business sense gets rewarded with a strong following.
OK having a good repution is very good and a tough thing to earn. But for the people who aren't his/their good friend, neighbor or have not used his/their services in the past, wouldn't it be nice to have a demonstration of a product, some sort of proof of something to make future customers feel safer in purchasing a product? If these were cheap investments then you can take your chances on what someone else says, but on a large investment which also involves risking another large one (the motor of the car itself) its nice to have proof, not promises.
09-10-2007, 03:34 PM
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Yeah that part your talking about with the "This coming from a garage mechanic should be laughed at. With the reputation Scott has, if he said he has done it, he has.
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that was supposed to be a quote from some other guy, it wasn't directed towards you. I was directing my statement towards him and you. was supposed to be double quote.
I was just stating how too many people say mazsport doesn't need dyno results, everyone selling any expensive performance parts should supply dyno results. The only time I can see not having dyno results is for a drop in filter or something on small scale like that.
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that was supposed to be a quote from some other guy, it wasn't directed towards you. I was directing my statement towards him and you. was supposed to be double quote.
I was just stating how too many people say mazsport doesn't need dyno results, everyone selling any expensive performance parts should supply dyno results. The only time I can see not having dyno results is for a drop in filter or something on small scale like that.
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09-11-2007, 03:16 AM
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See I made the headline 400whp not 400hp. I understand 370whp is over or somewhere close too 400hp. I want 400whp. Which I'm going to be working on cuz i just ordered an RX-8 in that pearl white color. Yay!!!!
09-11-2007, 06:45 AM
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Very nice color choice, congrats! After you discover 400+ rwhp be sure to sell it as a kit! You got the 6 speed manual trans right?
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09-12-2007, 11:26 AM
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Esmiril is the only one to post up 400+ numbers yet, though i know a couple others have well surpassed that also.
if you JUST want to make that number then look up esmiril on here.
if you want to make that number and make it driveable and reliable, you need to do a LOT of research and be prepared to spend a lot more than esmirils kit will cost you.
if you JUST want to make that number then look up esmiril on here.
if you want to make that number and make it driveable and reliable, you need to do a LOT of research and be prepared to spend a lot more than esmirils kit will cost you.