Tigerfootball

the alpine PXE-H650 (seen here http://www.alpine-usa.com/en/product...model=PXE-H650 ) seems to be pretty cool. Does anyone on here have any in depth knowledge about this product? I am currently in the process of replacing all my speakers with Infinity and still need the line out converter/line driver like the 6XS from Audiocontrol.

So i just wanted to know if anyone here, maybe someone who follows Alpine religiously, had any detailed information, such as the inputs (speaker level or low level), and if it completely takes over the volume like the JL Cleansweep does. I am also going to contact them, but i was hoping someone may have a quick answer. thanks.

baddisintegra

i like the cleansweep...i heard it compared to a stock unit in a lexus before, makes a big difference with upgraded speakers!!!

being an alpine product though, i wouldnt expect anything less than great from them...

WikkedOne

I thought about getting this but I decieded to go with the rockford fosgate 3.SIXTY sound processor instead. It gives you the ability to change any setting on your system with a bluetooth enabled PDA. And it also has a remote **** that can switch to an AUX input and control either the master volume or the Subwoofer level.

Its usually only avalable for the PALM OS but i am Beta Testing a version for WM5 so it works great on my Dell Axim.

TDG

I'm Also looking at putting a 3.SIXTY in my car. I am getting different info from different shops. Some say I should use the external volume from the 3.SIXTY as my master volume because the deck's EQ output changes with the volume. Basically i need to set the deck at a normal level then use the 3.SIXTY.

Of course I hate this option as i would lose my steering wheel controls, and have to find a nice place to put this ****.

Another shop tells me the output on the RX-8 is flat and I have nothing to worry about.

Anyone have any ideas on who is right?

Thanks

WikkedOne

well you will DEFINATLY notice a better sound after install and setup. what it does is listen to some pink noise with your stereo almost at MAX level and then it changes the EQ to compensate... you then use your PDA to adjust it to your liking. them I use my stereo to do the volume.. because i'm not going to give up my steering wheel controls either... lol but it still sounds great I can't tell any problems with it

i use the remote **** for my sub level (it can be set to sub or master)

I am even doing a beta test for software on the Windows Mobile 5 OS (on my Dell Axim)

If you aren't doing the beta test you have to have the Palm OS to use it.. PM me if you want to know more details..

Tigerfootball

well i talked to Alpine today and they told me that you don't lose volume control, meaning that the volume is still controlled by the head unit and steering wheel and not by the alpine unit. and it will produce a 4V signal to the amps. I forgot to find out about a bass control **** and price, but i read somewhere that it will be around $299. If all else fails, the Audiocontrol 6XS is still a very good bet. I am going to look into the RF 3.Sixty sound processor.

WikkedOne, if you have any more detailed specs on that unit let me know. Thanks a lot.

Speedtoys

Does the Alpine unit let you install other AInet products from alpine with it?

lurch519

the PXE-H650 is that bomb. period. high level input, multi channel out, i dont have any specs available, but i got to hear about the piece when i was at MERA in march. alpine told us that the processor in this piece automatically tuned the system, which included time correction, equalization, etc., in about 5 minutes, BETTER than their best tuner did in a day.

it is not available yet, nor does alpine list any specs on their web site, but once it is available, it will do more, for a ton less, than anything else out there

jstkilntim

From what I have heard about it, which is very little, it is performs the basically the same as the JL CleanSweep & the Fosgate 3Sixty. Both are similar, but each has different options that meet different peoples needs. Once the specs are available, it will be like any other decision, you will have to compare all of the units available & decide which one has the most features that benifit your plans. I love the fact that more & more manufacturers are coming out w/ devices to integrate aftermarket equipment.

I personally used the 6XS for now since the output of the Bose head unit is flat, but may change to something else depending on what I decide to do w/ my system in the future.

Speedtoys

Im hoping it will allow additional adder AI net accessories, such as bluetooth, for example.

lurch519

i sincerely doubt that the output is flat, as all auto manufacturers go to great lengths equalizing the settings for a specific car, but that is neither here or there. this piece will take the output from a factory stereo, and re eq the signal so it is now flat, it also performs time correction. i do not believe that it offers any ai net capability.


speedtoys

if ai net is a requirement, then you may want to look at the vehicle hub pro. do you have factory nav? if so this piece will work very well for you. if not, you can always add a moniter somewhere and use it

Speedtoys

No..I dont have NAV, I just want to make use of some of the alpine goodies that I have laying around with the existing base stereo.

Tigerfootball

does anyone have a price yet? also will it have a bass **** like the 3SIXTY and 6XS? if it does, then i am sold already. if not, then i may have to buy the bass **** for my amp by itself. i have actually seen somewhere that this thing is like the JL Cleansweep but more advanced, which may cause JL to come out with a Cleansweep 2.

but since this thing has high level inputs, that means i would have to tap after the Bose amp right?

jstkilntim

As far as hard evidence, I can only go by MrWigggles, who to the best of my knowledge is the only one that has truly tested and documented this. See here. It appears that in the 8 (with Bose) the majority of equalization is happening in the amp, especially w/ audio pilot on. I have always initially set up my systems w/ the head unit flat as I am assuming that any of the self corrrecting processors would have you do. Don't get me wrong, I know that these units do what they claim, but not always needed. How are they affected if the head unit bass/treb etc. is changed later. After the equalization of the processor is set and you cut or boost the signal to the processor, the correction factor will not change accordingly.

Niether here or there, as you say, I would still like to have & play with one of these processors. I just don't think it is needed here. And then, of course, withoug backing out & re-reading this thread, if you have the non Bose, throw everything I just said out the window.

Peace!!

WikkedOne

I have absolutly no idea how the bose EQ works.. I trust Wiggles research.

I CAN, however, tell my experiences with my sound processor (RF 3.Sixty) when you first hook it up and run the program it askes to you put in a cd that came with it and turn your volume to near max (without clipping) and with the HU EQ set flat and then go back and manually set the input sensitivity to just before a little "clipping detected" light is displayed. Then leaving the volume at near max with the input sens set it has you turn to track 2 which is just pink noise.. it listens to this pink noise for about 10 mins and individually sets every channels EQ to compensate.

It then gives you full control over everthing via your PDA
Independent 31-band EQ for Front Left and Front Right
Independent 27-band EQ for Rear Left and Rear Right
27-band EQ for Center
10-band subwoofer equalizer
6-channel HP/LP/BP/AP adjustable crossover

and if you change the HU EQ up.. it clips... sometimes BAD! but you can change it down.. (which i've had to do because some songs those highs are BRIGHT with the new tweeters) I only do this as a temp fix because i'm not going to whip out my PDA while I'm driving down the road.. then i go back when i stop and fix whatever bands I thought were to high/low and go about my buisness.. I think I've about got my system dialed in to EXACTLY how I want it.. but as with any system.. It just takes time.. and alot of small changes..

I know this doesn't help any.. but I bet some of you were at least a little curious.

jstkilntim

^^Actually it does help. It proves what I was assuming about changing the head unit after the processor sets itself up. Thanks.

Speedtoys

If I had Bose, how would I know it?


Noob question, sorry.

jstkilntim

Your system would sound like crap!

1. Depress the TEXT/AUDIO CONT button. If ALC comes up, no Bose. If AdioPLT comes up, Bose. (Bose does not have a MID range adjust.)

2. Bose will have an amp located between the speakers under the rear deck.

GrayRX8

I think the Bose logo on the door speaker grill would be a dead giveaway.

WikkedOne

I would know from the constant burning from my hind end where the dealer ripped me a new one...

Speedtoys

Got me..and I deserved it. Just wasnt sure if it was THAT obvious or not.

Speedtoys

Since you mention it..it doesnt SOUND that bad, all things considered.


Just installed an IVA-W200 into my old-school supra, awesome head unit. Got about 80lbs more junk labeled Alpine and/or MBQuart to put into the old car..almost glad I have to stick withthe OEM look in the 8, actually.


Just hoping that new alpine OEM integration unit works like I hope it will.

jstkilntim

I guess it just depends on what you are used to. Go listen to one of your favorite songs on a nice system then listen to it in the 8. The subs will help pick up the lows, but you will be waiting around a long time for those highs. I had a fairly low end system (Alpine head/ RF amps, subs & coax/ Planet Audio plates) in my Wrangler that had better range/response than my 8. Even w/ the top down. I personally feel that Bose is O.K. for a stock system, but doesn't even compare to a low to mid level aftermarket system. But then again, I have never had a stock system in a single car I have owned. (Except my wife's cars, she doesn't really care anyway.) Hell, when I was 16 and didn't even own a car yet, I put a system in my Dad's car. Just my opinion.

Tigerfootball

ok contacted Alpine yesterday and it turns out that the PXE-H650 will not be released this year so looks like it is either the cleansweep or 6XS for me, probably the 6XS. just thought i would update my own thread.

Tigerfootball

BUMP!
time to raise my thread from the dead. I have learned that the PXE-H650 should be available February for around $450 USD. Sounds fair for it is supposed to do. Now, i know there is someone on here that has the more technical specs on this. i know the basics, but i want to know the specifics. plus, i have talked with WikkedOne about the Rockford Fosgate 3Sixty and I am trying to actually compare the two. I am anxious to get my system installed ASAP and have narrowed my sound processor search to the RF 3Sixty.1 and the Alpine PXE-H650. Is one really much better than the other? I am looking for any information that can help me to compare the two. thanks.