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The local shop here in Plano is now Growler Motor Labs and mostly the same great suds-loving crew, lol. I have them working on a few parts for me now. They still do installs, dyno runs/tuning, race alignments etc.
Didn't want to revive old thread, but didn't want to start a new one either....
Are the MT maps the same as the AT maps? If not, where can I get AT maps from? I already own the AccessPort, and have the AccessTuner software, but I need base maps for AT. I originally got the AP for a MT RX8. Both my RX8's are 2006 (High Power, 6 port motors) I am going Link on my 20B swap RX8, so I wanted to know if I could change some things like FAN, MOP, CELLs, RMP Limit, Speed Limit, etc etc...
Still looking for 2006 AT stock map. Anybody has it? I have MAZDA_Race_Setup.exe for my Cobb (it's MT) but I wanted to see if I can use it on my AT since my MT will no longer use the AP.
The way it’s setup now you’ll need to request it for the specific serial number. Pretty sure you can get it, but might have to pay. Seemed like through EFI University or something.
The way it’s setup now you’ll need to request it for the specific serial number. Pretty sure you can get it, but might have to pay. Seemed like through EFI University or something.
The map? I thought it was the ATR the one you had to request... I have ATR for my Cobb, all I need is the 2006-2008 AT stock map (I believe it's the only one available)
Yes, you should be able to make your own adjustments starting with the Cobb Stock AT tune and then make and install those map tunes.
I really hope so, don't want to spend $150 for no reason if I already have ATR (Manual) question still remains though, will ATR (Manual) let me program an AT map... Because my ATR has a "base" MT map integrated I gess?
Sorry, my bad, haven’t used Accessport in a while. Which you have to start with ATR for your serial number and RX8 year/trans and then it provides the base map when you install it on a computer with your Cobb AP attached. So right off the bat you can’t do anything without ATR. There’s possibly an issue with AP Manager not providing the drivers, but you can workaround that if you have the EXE file for the proper ATR version. I’m pretty sure the only maps offered by Cobb otherwise were all Stage 1, and to the best of my recollection there never was a Stage 1 map for the 2006-2008 RX8 Auto.
I have to say it was by the grace of God for me to have requested and saved every version of ATR for my serial number back in 2012. They just killed all V2 AP service on 1-1-2019, with the exception of a bricked AP. No repairs or service otherwise. You now have to pay for some stupid jump through the hoops like a dumb animal course at EFI University before you can access the software anymore.
However, good news. I also just discovered that ATR installed on a storage drive runs just fine on W10 now, which really surprised me. It’s been maybe 4 or 5 years since I last was using it. Previously I had a parallel W7 system to run it on because trying to run it on W8/10 was a no go. Installing it may be tricky, haven’t had any need to try. Just have backups to for the entire ATR software tied to my serial number if I ever sell mine.
FYI: If you are already an AccessTUNER Race owner (like I am) you do not have to pay the $149 and go through the course UNLESS you deleted your original emails/transactions when you got AccessTUNER Race, Cobb will send you the software since there was an EFI training that Cobb offered for free that you had to take back then.
Since I completed the course at EFI University they could not refund me the $149, and since I showed them proof that I was a legit owner they instead gave me a $149 coupon and they said I could sell it.
What's funny is.... If I sell my AccessPORT and sell it with AccessTUNER Race what's the point of taking the course???
EDIT:
The MAZDA_Race_Setup.exe is a self-extracting executable. If you extract it using 7-Zip you can get the LICENSE.INI which is the file that the software uses to allow use with your AccessPORT (has your AP serial #)
The executable inside you can extract (yes, 2 extractions) and copy thie LICENSE.INI file on this new extracted folder and run AccessTUNER Race on Windows 10. You can't connect LIVE or run Accessport Manager to transfer your .PTM files though.
--Contents of MAZDA_RACE_Setup.exe (2006 manual tranny)
$PLUGINSDIR
license.ini
TunerRace_US_RX8M_BASE_06_1.8.0.0-11359.exe
After you extract the second .EXE file you can copy the LICENSE.INI from the first .EXE into the folder of the second .EXE and run AccessTUNER Race on any Windows.
AccessTUNER Race maps are not interchangeable, you can't open AT on MT ATR or vice-versa.
Difference in Maps/Values you can edit on both ATRs.
I attached a zip file containing 2006 maps for both AT and MT from both ATRs. Can someone confirm they can open the MT if you have 2006 MT ATR or the AT if you have 2006 AT ATR? I want to see if ATR actually marry the maps upon save.
It should. That’s how I tuned for other people. You can open a map tune from another user with the same year/trans in your married ATR program and then when it’s saved the tune will marry to your AP. If you try to load it directly without opening and saving it in the married ATR it will be rejected because the serial numbers don’t match.
I’m not sure if I fully understood the first part of your post. Are you saying it’s possible to go in and change any version of ATR for the serial number to match whatever Cobb AP you have?
It should. That’s how I tuned for other people. You can open a map tune from another user with the same year/trans in your married ATR program and then when it’s saved the tune will marry to your AP. If you try to load it directly without opening and saving it in the married ATR it will be rejected because the serial numbers don’t match.
I’m not sure if I fully understood the first part of your post. Are you saying it’s possible to go in and change any version of ATR for the serial number to match whatever Cobb AP you have?
That's what I thought, so you can open, but on save it marries to the AP, correct?
No, if you already have ATR (you took certification) and you have proof of ownership (i.e. you are owner of 2004 AT RX8) they will send you ATR for that year/tranny.
That was my case, I own a 2006 MT RX8 and a 2006 AT RX8, so I didn't have to take the course again, since I already owned ATR and took their EFI course.
In other words, you own ATR for an RX8 and you sell the RX8 (or keep it like I did) and buy another RX8, they will send you the ATR for your new RX8 so you can use your AP on your new RX8.
I was just confused on the discussion about the License part of it.
It has to be the same year/trans version and then when you save it the saved map is married to the same AP as ATR.
Ok, cool, That's what I thought. At this point I will probably have to sell the AP and buy mazdaEdit Pro. I don't want to have to contact Cobb every time I want to work on an RX8 and it be different year/tranny than what I have. It's so expensive though... I already went through that expense twice.... Interceptor-X, then Cobb AP and now mazdaEdit... Good thing is with mazdaEdit that should be the last expense.
Will try! I already reflashed my car with the same mods I had on the AccessPORT. So far everything is working great. What OMP percentage should I run in order to not premix? I know a 7% raise on the 5% normal already set for a total of 12% is what Mazda designed the Renny to consume. Should I raise it more than this 12% and elimiate the premix? Any thoughs on that?
Will try! I already reflashed my car with the same mods I had on the AccessPORT. So far everything is working great. What OMP percentage should I run in order to not premix? I know a 7% raise on the 5% normal already set for a total of 12% is what Mazda designed the Renny to consume. Should I raise it more than this 12% and elimiate the premix? Any thoughs on that?
Running at the power level you are at .....the omp is unable to sufficiently lube the apex seals at full boost and high rpm . You could look at modifying the pump output .... see my mod 2 on this thread : https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tec...cation-268559/. I can't guarantee that will be enough either as I haven't tested it . Your best bet IMO is to drop omp down to zero and go 100% premix. Either that or drop boost to below 12psi and live with that.
By the way : at WOT and high rpm the omp is already at its maximum setting (60) even when N/A!
So could the OMP simply not be able to pump against the higher compression that's a result of the higher boost; said differently the pressure at the OMP outlet is much higher than the OMP line pressure and the OMP is deadheading (infinite slip of oil in the pump with no forward flow)?
Running at the power level you are at .....the omp is unable to sufficiently lube the apex seals at full boost and high rpm . You could look at modifying the pump output .... see my mod 2 on this thread : https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tec...cation-268559/. I can't guarantee that will be enough either as I haven't tested it . Your best bet IMO is to drop omp down to zero and go 100% premix. Either that or drop boost to below 12psi and live with that.
By the way : at WOT and high rpm the omp is already at its maximum setting (60) even when N/A!
Yeah, it is for an AT N/A, 8000 RPM. So leave it at 12% and premix (I am premixing 7oz AmSoil Interceptor on 14gal fuel)
04-25-2019, 11:21 AM
Thanks. I paid the $150. I rather have full control of my tune and not depend on any tuner. Cheaper than buying mazdaEdit.
I think I'll stop there, it's something that has unlimited cars....
