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Hymee 02-25-2009 06:17 PM

I'm not trying to argue with you, I was trying to give a reasoned response to another question.

Since there is a sensor there that the PCM can read, and we can alter various behavious based on the sensor reading, then it can be utilised... Good bad or otherwise.

Cheers,
Hymee.

MazdaManiac 02-25-2009 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by Hymee (Post 2885643)
Since there is a sensor there that the PCM can read, and we can alter various behavious based on the sensor reading, then it can be utilised... Good bad or otherwise.

Yes.

The "secret" to that sensor is in increasing the resolution of the table that it affects.

zoom44 02-25-2009 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by Benjamz (Post 2883619)
I would be surprised if it gave me more then 15whp and 20wtq. I know you can pull that off with the FD..


thats why i said surprised- split doesnt even have that much effect

Hymee 02-25-2009 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 2885722)
Yes.

The "secret" to that sensor is in increasing the resolution of the table that it affects.

Do you want to increase the range or the resolution? The range is really easy to do with SPT.

Since I know the table structures and definitions, it is plausible to increase the resolution and add in extra rows/columns. A bit of byte shuffling etc, but possible.

The range might be enough, the PCM interpolates intermediate values anyway.

Cheers,
Hymee.

rx8 man 02-25-2009 09:23 PM

pro-Tuner
 
:score::score::score:

Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 2872992)
I've been running Pro Tuner for a while now so thought it was time to talk about my experiences with it . I'll start with a little background on it

What can it do :
*Flash tuning of the factory computer with access to all engine controls
some examples : fan switching control , intake valve control , maf calibration , injector scaling , fuel mapping , timing mapping etc etc . Pretty much everything the AP can do .
*Logging of critical tuning information . Up to 2hrs worth i understand (not 100% sure on this) This is done via the plug in 'brick' .
*Real time display of all engine parameters monitored by he ECU - ie Scanalyser via usb port
*Normal Scanalyser software also included in the package

Some observations :
The first thing I found when attempting to tune my turbo 8 was that you cannot tune in real time . You need to take logs then load those logs onto your computer and analyse them then make the necessary changes .
I was used to my Powermod piggyback which can be tuned in real time so I initially saw this as a drawback as I could not imagine that you would want to dick around like this while on the dyno trying to tune .
Now that i've gotten used to it I really like that it works this way . You get to study the logs and make changes in a orderly fashion . So if you are a diy kind of person this way of doing it will suit you . If you are going to hand your tuning over to someone else that you are paying an hourly rate to , then this is not the best in my opinion.
All the critical maps that you need access to are available to play with at your hearts content but you had better get an understanding of what you are doing or you could easily get into trouble .
Hymee provided me with a base map that he uses for his supercharged 8 . I found this worked very well with my turbo . I only had to fine tune to get an excellent result that I am very happy with . I have now have very stable afrs throughout the rev range .

As far as funcionality is concerned - Hymee guided me through the learning phase pretty well and was always there if i got stuck . Top marks to Mark for service .
The software works very well as long as you follow the instructions - if I can figure it out anyone can .....

I 2nd that, Top marks to Mark.
And I've been runing the Pro-Tuner for about a year, and this has totally open up the Rx8's Computer for re-flashing, Easy to use, does the job fast, I've done a re-flash on the side of the road.
Base maps form Mark were very close to what was needed, this is by far the Best Money I've Spent on My 8.
But Unlike Brettus, I don't use the Pro-Tuner for logging or live, I've got XP, and have scanalzyer V2, which I'm more than happy with using as a logger or with the live mode.

The Pro-Tuner is that a Tuner tool, one of the Best.
Cheers Mark.

Red Devil 02-25-2009 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 2885483)
Yes.
First of all, the old mantra:

FLOW is not PRESSURE.
"1 BAR" might mean a wide range of things.

That said, I exceed 1 bar pretty regularly with the factory MAF and my calibrations.

What I am talking about here is NOT a MAF replacement.
Rather, it is a supplement to the MAF in deciding how to handle the movement of positive air displacement above N/A.

A topic that has been beaten to death with no need of re-hedging when it is understood and accepted.

But fair enough, so how much flow - grams per second, CFM, lbs min, whatever, are you seeing across the MAF on your application? Have you seen a limit to flow that it can handle in conjunction with the limitations of the PCM?


Originally Posted by Hymee (Post 2885604)
On a "draw through" setup, this makes no difference.

On a "push through" setup, it shouldn't make any difference (hot-wire MAF is not subject to pressure variations), as the MAF is measuring the mass flow, based on the cooling effect of the air molecules on the hot-wire. I'm doing some of my own research on the applicability of having a pressurised MAF, but there are OEM and aftermarket setups out there that have the MAF on the boost side. In the end, it (mass flow) is a measurment used to determine load. And these PCM's use load based tuning.

Cheers,
Hymee.

I guess my question would be the same...what are the limits of actual volume flowed through the factory MAF/tube/PCM load tables before you lose granularity...or has this not yet been determined?


If no one has reached the limits yet, or pushed that far, great. I'm just curious having to this point only used MAP based systems. I'd like to make the switch to MAF but as of yet have not bothered.

paulmasoner 02-25-2009 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by Red Devil (Post 2885961)
A topic that has been beaten to death with no need of re-hedging when it is understood and accepted.

But fair enough, so how much flow - grams per second, CFM, lbs min, whatever, are you seeing across the MAF on your application? Have you seen a limit to flow that it can handle in conjunction with the limitations of the PCM?



I guess my question would be the same...what are the limits of actual volume flowed through the factory MAF/tube/PCM load tables before you lose granularity...or has this not yet been determined?


If no one has reached the limits yet, or pushed that far, great. I'm just curious having to this point only used MAP based systems. I'd like to make the switch to MAF but as of yet have not bothered.

closest i've read...


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 2805304)
IAT showed 65°.
The MAF is good out to 425 g/sec in the OE tube diameter.
So, yes, I will run out of MAF soon.
I'm actually running out of PCM resolution even faster.
I've exceeded AbsLOAD of 2.00 and That is where I setup my limit!
I'm starting to see AbsLOADs around 2.05


Red Devil 02-26-2009 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by paulmasoner (Post 2885970)
closest i've read...

Thanks!

Kane 03-21-2009 05:43 PM

Scaling the MAF. I know it was asked here.

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-engine-tuning-forum-63/how-scale-your-maf-flash-tuning-cobb-hymee-169597/

zoom44 03-21-2009 10:37 PM

btw that absload of 2.00 that MM posted is right where damon who used to work at RB tuned the white sc'd renegade 8 up to. we never talked about whether he tried more or not

Nemesis8 04-07-2009 11:19 PM


Originally Posted by zoom44 (Post 2926985)
btw that absload of 2.00 that MM posted is right where damon who used to work at RB tuned the white sc'd renegade 8 up to. we never talked about whether he tried more or not

And to think, it was there lurking behind that garage door, while we walked past it that day...

r0tor 04-09-2009 09:33 AM

what control does the ProTuner have for idle speed? The AP has 4 or 5 nondescript idle vs ect tables with no clues as to what they are.... ugh

Brettus 04-09-2009 04:18 PM

yeah - same deal with protuner ....

r0tor 04-09-2009 05:35 PM

doh! maybe hymee can chime in here to unlock a mystery???

Kane 04-09-2009 05:38 PM

I'll play with them today - and get back y'all.

I am off to work on Punisher8's car in a few hours - he has the Pro Tuner.

Brettus 04-09-2009 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by Kane (Post 2960400)
I'll play with them today - and get back y'all.
.

when you finish playing with them could you have a look at those idle maps ? :lol:

Kane 04-09-2009 06:05 PM

Touche....

r0tor 04-11-2009 10:09 AM

any luck on the idle map meanings?

Jedi54 04-11-2009 01:28 PM

hymee: is it possible to scale the AFR gauge on the software for a turbo application? (otherwise it's going to read super rich at all times)
CarPC is in my very near future and this will be wired into it at all times. :)

Brettus 04-11-2009 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by Jedi54 (Post 2963325)
hymee: is it possible to scale the AFR gauge on the software for a turbo application? (otherwise it's going to read super rich at all times)

wat ?

Jedi54 04-11-2009 03:27 PM

I got the protuner when I upgraded to the USB Live. Figured I'd just ask here.

Brettus 04-11-2009 03:29 PM

why would you want it to read anything but a true reading ?

Jedi54 04-11-2009 03:31 PM

let me clairfy:
When I'm running the Live Mode, the AFR gauge can be set to have a "rich" and "lean" zone. I want an accurate reading, but the sweet spot on a FI car is richer then that of an N/A. I want to scale the zones. (get it?)
Car will have an actual AFR gauge, the carPC is just for fun as it'll monitor other aspects of the vehicle.

Brettus 04-11-2009 03:51 PM

OK - got it . You had me worried there for a bit :)

Hymee 04-12-2009 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by Jedi54 (Post 2963464)
let me clairfy:
When I'm running the Live Mode, the AFR gauge can be set to have a "rich" and "lean" zone. I want an accurate reading, but the sweet spot on a FI car is richer then that of an N/A. I want to scale the zones. (get it?)
Car will have an actual AFR gauge, the carPC is just for fun as it'll monitor other aspects of the vehicle.

OK - I see. You want to just change the graphic on the gauge. It is all relative I guess, and just meant to give an simplistic idea, not a target for tuning.

Cheers,
Hymee.


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