Harlan

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Here is a definite possibility, it takes some of the hardware restrictions:
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/.../dn481258.aspx

slash128

Just tried disabling secure boot but it didn't work for me

TeamRX8

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The known solution is an earlier WOS running on VM. Silly seems to be what you're doing, but I'm patient enough to sit back and see ... I was able to workaround Adobe8 on W8.x, this one seems like more of a stretch

Harlan

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I still think it comes down to how the AP authenticates with the PC. MS changed a lot of security and device management from Windows 8 to 8.1 but if we had a smoking gun for what broke the AP there might be a workaround. I'm still looking, but I have no horse in this race.

slash128

Ya I'm good with running in a VM. But it is interesting as a puzzle if we can figure it out. I'm sure I attempt many things that could be called silly because I do them for more for fun

TeamRX8

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What you have to consider is not breaking the security that will in turn make you vulnerable.


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Harlan

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Vulnerability is relative. You would be no more vulnerable than before windows 8.1. In theory you could get hit by software specifically looking for an unsecured copy of Windows 8.1, but in practice it's very unlikely. I'd be more worried about new exploits that security updates have created. There have already been a couple bad zero day exploits found with more to follow.

9krpmrx8

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Carbon8 has it running in VM. I ended up just installing Windows 7 clean on an extra laptop and running it that way.

Carbon8

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This morning I have setup my Win 8.1 system to run my AP manager and ATR.




Download and install the non-comercial free version of VMware Player

Virtual Machines & Multiple Operating Systems: VMware Player Pro | United States

Then secure an ISO (Or hard copy disk) of whatever operating system you want ( I prefer XP Pro) and install it, I partitioned 20GB dedicated to the VM.

Once the OS installs, install your copy of ATR (Do not install the latest version of AP Manager, Install ATR only and click yes when it asks to install the AP manager. The new AP Manager will not support our AP).

TeamRX8

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Thanks for confirming what was already stated in Post #10 of this thread ...

TeamRX8

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hmmm, gonna give this a try ....

Forget The End Of Life Woes: Windows 8 Has An XP Mode

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/downloa...-microsoft-si/


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TeamRX8

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was able to get it to work, XP validation is required with 30 days, there are ways around it if for some reason the old validation key won't work

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

Nice!

TeamRX8

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what a pita ....

slash128

Couldn't resist

On a serious note though appreciate your info. FWIW if you are going to run a VM anyway you can run Unity mode on VMware Workstation and get the same effect. With less PITA factor IMHO...

I believe the free VMware Player and VirtualBox also has this functionality.

ShellDude

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Or run Win7 w/ Parallels Coherence on a real computer

TeamRX8

iTrader: (25)

Technically I don't have a copy of XP or other suitable OS disc. The methods above indicate how to get it through Microsoft in the process of setting up a virtual drive (Oracle VirtualBox) again using Microsoft sources. The pita for me was figuring out the VM configuration etc. was a first for me.



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slash128

I've got a MacBook Pro for my personal and X1 Carbon for work

ShellDude

iTrader: (12)

I'm forever having to clean greasy fingerprints off my MBP

slash128

That was the "good info" part It is good legit option for those who don't have a copy.

slash128

Likewise on my X1. I didn't even know it had a touch screen until I tried to wipe off a bit of dust. I was quite surprised when the screen moved haha...

So it looks like Parallels connects up the AP just fine? I haven't bothered to try. Good to know.

ShellDude

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yeah... works fine. it has been some time since I've used it for anything other than reference though. I moved on to MEP and sold my AP a couple years ago.

But when I flashed with it, I used AP Manager and Race originally in an XP VM and later on a Win7 one with no issues.

slash128

Cool, I'll have to try that...

TeamRX8

iTrader: (25)

The process in the link below proved to be an interesting way to handle an ATR installation on a W8.1 OS if anyone is so inclined. Since W8.1 won't allow communication with the handheld device you can still load ATR on your W8.1 OS computer and perform tuning changes etc. there rather than on a virtual server. You will still need to perform your hand-held device communications on the virtual drive, but being able to handle the rest of it on my normal computer setup works better for me. Also, since I occasionally tune for other people it didn't lock into my serial number since the handheld device is not used for installation. Not sure yet if the other person can use it directly or will still have to open it and then save using their ATR program to update the tune with their serial number

How to: Cobb tuner race bypass: Get atr to work w/o driver install - evolutionm.net


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slash128

Another option that doesn't require any software manipulation via third party applications: install ATR and AP manager normally on the VM then copy the installed directory out of "Program Files" on the VM to "Program Files (x86)" on the Win81 host. You can then run ATR natively on Win81 and just use the VM for AP transfers.

EDIT: technically it doesn't seem to matter where you copy it to on the host.

Also, this works for tuning for other people on different versions