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Old 06-19-2011, 08:19 AM   #1
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DIY: DRL repair

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Many of you with DRL equipped cars have experienced failures of the DRLs or high beams or both.
I have tracked this down to a couple of relays used in the DRL module. The relays are used to place the high beam bulbs in series for DRL operation and parallel for high beam operation.
Here is a relatively simple way of repairing the module for much less money than buying a replacement.

If you have a DRL or high beam failure please check your high beam bulbs first before proceeding with this repair.

You'll need an 8mm nut driver
soldering iron
solder wick
2 replacement relays https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...6&d=1300114554
Edit : Now DigiKey.ca has them in Canada http://www.digikey.ca/product-search...XVz2&network=g

Start by removing the glove box
The DRL module is the blue box

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Thanks to 2hit6 (Rick) for the use of his car and for taking the shots
Thanks to Jolene for letting me borrow her camera
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Remove the 8mm screw and pull the module down.
Carefully work it out through the wiring bundles.
Remove the connectors by squeezing the release tab and pulling
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Release the black cover by gently prying the latches on the sides
Slide the board out of the module.
Solder wick
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Locate the 5 solder points of each relay on the bottom of the board.
Using the soldering iron and the solder wick remove the solder from each point.
It is critical to remove all the solder from each relay pin.
DO NOT pry the relays off the board or you will rip the copper traces
Patience is key here. Make sure each pin is free.
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Once the relays are removed you can start the replacement procedure.
You will need to hold the relay in place or support it from below while soldering it in.
Make sure to use enough heat and solder to create a solid joint.
After soldering it is important to clean all of the flux off the board.
Flux is corrosive and it attracts moisture. The module will not be reliable if you leave flux on the board.
Clean the flux with flux remover
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diy post 6
Re assemble the module
Reconnect the harness.
The metal bracket needs to seat in as shown. It's easy to get it wrong so double check

The result... working DRLs




Note that this does not fix the underlying issue with the module and it will eventually fail again.
Once I solve that issue I'll post how to fix it permanently
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So...........I know you ain't done yet with this DIY, but what was the issue? Daytime running lights not coming on?
Should probably describe what your exact issue was in the first post.

You need a smaller tip on that iron and get that damn coffee cup off the top of your car!


I'll delete this post when you are done...........I know you are in the middle of editing it.

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So...........I know you ain't done yet with this DIY, but what was the issue? Daytime running lights not coming on?
Should probably describe what your exact issue was in the first post.

You need a smaller tip on that iron and get that damn coffee cup off the top of your car!


I'll delete this post when you are done...........I know you are in the middle of editing it.
Haha... I quoted you!! now there's no delete...

Thanks for the comments.

I added a description of the issue. let me know if it's clear

The tip is big because I'm dealing with power traces and they sink a lot of heat. I'd rather have too much heat and control it with some skill than not enough heat and a bunch of ripped out traces...

Not my car... not my coffee cup...

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Yeah, more experience guys with soldering can use a bigger tip, I knew you'd come back with that one!
It's an art................I'll use a bigger tip at times, but as you know, you can create quite a mess that way as well............if you don't know what you are doing.

Now, I gotta go read what your issue was.

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Yeah, more experience guys with soldering can use a bigger tip, I knew you'd come back with that one!
It's an art................I'll use a bigger tip at times, but as you know, you can create quite a mess that way as well............if you don't know what you are doing.

Now, I gotta go read what your issue was.
You are correct sir.
You have to "read" what the solder is doing to know if you have the right heat...
But I've been soldering since before a lot of forum members were born... F&ck that makes me sound old...

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i never knew we had a drl available... i have never seen it on other 8's

interesting, i shall try this soon lol
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i never knew we had a drl available... i have never seen it on other 8's

interesting, i shall try this soon lol
All Canadian 8s have DRLs
US models do not
I'm not sure about other markets.
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Excellent DIY DarkBrew!

FYI... we use IPA (99%) and a brush to clean flux off our production circuit boards, so if others can't find actual flux cleaner locally, you can always use IPA instead.

And that soldering iron is fine, especially since you are trying to heat the wick and solder.
Of course if this board is PB-Free, then more heat is desired anyway.
Plus... that handle looks like a MetCal soldering station, and most people aren't going to have the luxury of removable tips for various heat ranges (since max heat is based on the tips with those styles).

The cheap 40-60W soldering stations you buy at the local stores are usually only good for soldering 0805 and smaller, so excessive heat may not be an issue for some
Clarification: Yes... I know you can soldering bigger than 0805 with those stations... it was a joke...
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Jeez.....Jon.......getting all technical on us. Yeah, I will use IPA if available and yes........lead free requires higher re-flow temp.
For the sake of argument, I have the Weller(TC202) station at home.


Not relevent here, but even with IPA or flux remover you can get leakage problems at -58C(Mil temp(with guardband)) if not careful and get it all off. But...realize I'm talking nA or pA worth of leakage after repeated cycling through the Mil temp range.


Yeah....Mush..............we don't have DRL's.

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Excellent DIY DarkBrew!

FYI... we use IPA (99%) and a brush to clean flux off our production circuit boards, so if others can't find actual flux cleaner locally, you can always use IPA instead.

And that soldering iron is fine, especially since you are trying to heat the wick and solder.
Of course if this board is PB-Free, then more heat is desired anyway.
Plus... that handle looks like a MetCal soldering station, and most people aren't going to have the luxury of removable tips for various heat ranges (since max heat is based on the tips with those styles).

The cheap 40-60W soldering stations you buy at the local stores are usually only good for soldering 0805 and smaller, so excessive heat may not be an issue for some
Clarification: Yes... I know you can soldering bigger than 0805 with those stations... it was a joke...
Thanks! It means a lot
I was going to mention the IPA but most people would use the retail stuff (70%) which may be worse than not cleaning...
Yes, MetCal.
I probably wouldn't try it with a 60W iron...
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Jeez.....Jon.......getting all technical on us.
LOL... When you're in the SMT field long enough (I'm going on 10yrs), you tend to "nitpick" when it comes to PCBs.
Even if I buy something like a video card, I end-up inspecting the whole board for defects.
Sorry to high-jack your thread DarkBrew.... back to the show!
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I was going to mention the IPA but most people would use the retail stuff (70%) which may be worse than not cleaning...
Agree... which is why I mentioned 99%, but its good to clarify!

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I probably wouldn't try it with a 60W iron...
Agree there too.
I've used a soldering gun in place of those "cheap" stations when I needed it (or couldn't take it to work).
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The technical digression doesn't bother me but it may scare others

I work in the IC test field so for me soldering is usually installing or removing 0402 devices on device test boards. The shape of the solder can affect our signals (10 to 28 Gb/s) so it has to be perfect
The test boards can be 16 to 28 layers with 8 to 14 ground layers so soldering anything to ground can require significant heat

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I work in the IC test field so for me soldering is usually installing or removing 0402 devices on device test boards.
Besides SMT, thru-hole, and manual/wave assembly, I also support and repair IC test machines.
We use HP3070 testers and those fixtures can be a PITA.
We're starting to place 0201 and are looking into 01005

Think people are getting tired of our "geek talk"?!
Oh well... bumps the thread!
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Besides SMT, thru-hole, and manual/wave assembly, I also support and repair IC test machines.
We use HP3070 testers and those fixtures can be a PITA.
We're starting to place 0201 and are looking into 01005

Think people are getting tired of our "geek talk"?!
Oh well... bumps the thread!
yeah, I did a couple of 0201 devices by hand. Typically I use a binocular microscope anyway but the 0201 parts are especially difficult. With 15 mil solder and a small tip it almost looks normal when magnified... except for all the hand shake! LOL

Sorry for supporting the thread jack...

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My DRL works awesome now! Thanks again for DarkBrew for doing the DYI on my 8....better than new!
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Any idea what the coil contact rating is on the OEM ones in the DRL module?
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Any idea what the coil contact rating is on the OEM ones in the DRL module?
http://pewa.panasonic.com/assets/pcs...cq-catalog.pdf

Looks like you can buy the relays at Digikey now!
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/Dk...q1-12v&x=0&y=0
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Darkbrew,

Have you checked out the failed relays in the busted DRL module?
Once you have them removed, you could freely energize the coils with external power sources. Do they still work?

Trying to dig deeper into the relay failure. Is it the coils that are no longer working (leading to cause that something in the 12V circuit going to the relay is bad) or the contacts are no longer making and breaking (leading to the cause that perhaps the Silver-alloy contact material in the panasonic relay is no good for the load)

The HIDs are 65 W (12V), so 5.4A of current, The contacts are rated for 10A though, looking at the spec sheet, everything seems to be fine and fit for duty...
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Have you checked out the failed relays in the busted DRL module?
Once you have them removed, you could freely energize the coils with external power sources. Do they still work?

Trying to dig deeper into the relay failure. Is it the coils that are no longer working (leading to cause that something in the 12V circuit going to the relay is bad) or the contacts are no longer making and breaking (leading to the cause that perhaps the Silver-alloy contact material in the panasonic relay is no good for the load)

The HIDs are 65 W (12V), so 5.4A of current, The contacts are rated for 10A though, looking at the spec sheet, everything seems to be fine and fit for duty...
I did look at them... The contacts showed evidence of serious arcing and measured with high resistance. My working theory, based on my observations, is that there is a relay timing conflict in the module design. I will try to figure this out...
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