zoom44

so i decided to google this thing- IT JUST THE TORNADO FUEL SAVER WITH A DIFFERENT NAME!! for cryign out loud why doesnt someone sue these ******** to make them stop with these stupid erroneus claims they make for these things.

first thing to remember- if it says it will work on any car then it will not work on an RX-8.

second thing to remember- read what they say it does and then ask yourself this question- if it was that easy then why haven't these people sold a million of these things to the auto manufacturers to come in the cars from the factory? your answer should always be- BECAUSE THEY DONT WORK! car companies spend millions of dollars to make their cars more powerful and/or more fuel efficient in order to meet Federal efficiency standards. if this thing worked they'd jump on it in a second.

another thing- put this thing in your intake tube and it swirls the air right? so will it still be doing this swirling after it goes thru your throttle body and intake manifold until it finally gets into engine? think about it.

Mr. Samurai

Thank you zoom for the info I was asking for all along. I think this thread needs to be closed because every one is just flaming me cuz i am 17 yrs of age. Who cares!!! Get over it!!! Well like I said earlyer I am not going to make my car faster, but I am looking into finding somthing to help save me gas. LOL, no I dont think I am invincible. I dont look at it as street racing, I do it in a safe open place where I am under supervision. But I guess I should go to the local raceway on weekends where I can pay money to get in and race other people.

YoungDriver

from the perspective of another kid in high school who also got an rx8 at 17, the best thing u can possibly to with ur life right now is read every post on the forum... ive been doing it since long before i got my car in march and i have a much better understanding of the rx8 itself and everything that comes with it... and in ur defense... when a g35 starts revvin his engine next to u at a stoplight on a deserted foor lane... can u really let him have it?

Richard Paul

iTrader: (5)

Well I think the kid sounds mature for his age and remember we all had to grow up. My advice to you is work on the handling with the bars and springs. get a profesional driving course in your own car if you can. Keep it off the streets and you will grow up just fine.

DreRX8

Don't get defensive Mr. Samurai--I had a 93 FD at 16 (im 23 now) that I modded that was capable of runnin with C5 vettes--I street raced it ONE time--beat the cars I raced but got caught--I had to get a lawyer. It was only God that kept all of that off of my record and kept me from killing myself and/or someone else. I say this all to say that the urge and adrenaline comes with the territory--its only natural that you have the need for speed-especially at 17-just be careful and use good judgement. When I was 16 I had all the internet age flames too--but after my run in with Houston Police that one time I never blatantly street raced again. Everyone was 17 once and nearly all of us were cut from the same speed cloth.

guy321

No, this thread needs to be closed because everyone is flaming you for making youself out to be a ******* WHINEY MORON. Not because you're 17.
I could give you a more intelligent reply, but frankly you don't deserve it.


Have a nice day!

dmp

Better Idea - Pay money to race at a driver-improvement day held at a local racetrack. Thunderhilll has these events often, and is located about an hour north of Sacremento. For the record, you aren't being flamed.

TxRx8

Jeez, the guy had a simple question. And it turned into a two-page fuckfest. Awesome.

Gord96BRG

LOL! Wrong, you're getting flamed for your attitude! You should maybe stop trying to make excuses for dismissing helpful suggestions...

You don't look at it as street racing? HAH! YOU don't make the rules - if it's a public road, the COPS look at it as street racing, no matter how busy or empty the road is. It isn't up to you to decide if it's OK or not.

The recommendation to take a driving school isn't with respect to drag racing. Anybody can floor the throttle and shift quickly in a straight line. That comprises about 10% of driving ability. Everyone needs to learn how to brake, corner, accelerate (with respect to cornering) properly at the limits of performance. Very few people bother to learn these skills, yet they will make EVERY car you ever own or drive both faster and safer. Once you try performance driving on a track or autocross with corners, etc. you'll realize how boring straight line drag racing is.

Regards,
Gordon

Lschiavo

Hey Samurai! I will give you only one suggestion, or maybe two. Go to school and learn how to write before driving a car! Try counting the spelling mistakes you have made (such as more "then" instead of than)... You said you wanted to make your car faster, but in your last reply you said you only wanted to save fuel... That does not sound like being mature... Dude go to a driving school first, and if you argue you are better driver than anyone else then go to a Racing school (Skip barber 3-day school). Will cost you around 2K and you will develop many skills that will save you from killing someone on the road (if you say you live in a desert you might kill a cow or a horse as well).

Hope this help, and hope not to drive on the same road as you.

LS

GiN

AHHHH enough with the flameage.

Samurai dude, there are no cheap mods you can do for your RX-8 that will give you any major gains in power. If you look around the forum, you will find that even if you get every single power-enhancing modification done to your car (short of nitrous or turbo) your gain will be minimal in comparison to the money you've spent.

Underdrive pulleys, lightweight flywheel, intake, exhaust, hi-flow cat (or no cat), and a piggyback computer will net you about (supposedly, if you're lucky) 30hp at most - but will cost you about $3G all said and done.

Some people have gone the way of nitrous injection, which is probably the only proven best-bang-for-the-buck upgrade for this car yet. However, overzealous racers armed with happy gas often result in blown motors.

There are several turbocharger or supercharger systems out there, but every single one of them is probably still under prototype or one-off status. Be prepared to spend around $4G for a simple system, should a brave company finally decide to complete a proper package.

GiN

...Or you could spend $150K for a Formula Mazda race car, and REALLY go fast - like our friend LS here! :D

therm8

$150k?! That's it? Man, I would sooo buy one of those over a Ferrari/Ford GT etc(if I could afford a Ferrari/Fort GT etc :D). Of course it'd be difficult to liscense, but I guess you might be able to liscence it as a kit car.

Lschiavo

The new formula mazda pro is only 70K.
Cheers ! :D

Richard Paul

iTrader: (5)

Lu, You forgot to tell them that buying the car was the cheap part of racing.

Snoochie

Samurai just try and learn on here by reading everyone elses stuff as much as possible. I've been registered on here for ages but never actually started posting until a month or two ago. I did when I first got on and got bombed for asking a dumb question :P It happens just let it bounce off you.

Also take that racing class. I'm dying to do that. Hell if you find one I'll go with you (you live about an hour away from me), then we'll spank everyone with our 8's (sorry that's the over-arrogant teenager in me) hehe. Y'all can take stabs at me for that one. Hehe

TheColonel

I just want to say, I'm really feelin' the love in this thread...

guitarjunkie28

you could bring the car to me for porting, but it's not the cheapest thing in the world.

carguy425

Samurai, I just have to rip on you for one thing...accelerate. You would think, with this being your lifestyle, you could spell...accelerate! Anyway, I am not as old as your dad. I am also not quite as conservative as some of the other people on this forum. If I said that I never ran someone on the street or hit 100+ on the freeway, I'd be lying. But...I never do anything stupid. I drive according to the road conditions. Let me just say this: I don't condone street racing but I don't condemn people for it either. My point here is this: I am not some old guy with a pickle up my ****. And yet, I am still going to tell you much the same thing. The very best thing you can do with that grand is to spend it on a driving school. No matter how good of a driver you may actually be, you will be better after the school. I think that one of the best things about learning how to drive a car fast is that you become a safer driver in the process. You can't avoid it. The same principles that allow you to drive a car fast are the very same principles that will help you avoid accidents. The best revenge you can get on all the nay-sayers is to be 5 or 10 years down the road and never have wrecked your car. Oh yeah, one more thing. It's cool to be into your car but don't let it be the most important thing in your life. Be good to your friends and family and hopefully they will support you in your passion for motor sports.

Overport

Not neccesarily, but in this case it is.

Dlin23

Ya, for 1000 dollars you can get barely anything for this car. All the parts for this car cost a fortune. I am 18 and i also pay for my own rx8. So far i spent about 5-6 thousand dollars on my 8 in parts you probally can see from my sig. I've been wanting more power as well, my advice to you is just wait and be patient someone will come with some FI but it won't be cheap. (5k +)

Noob_for_life

16 and i have my own 8


hahahahaha beat you

Noob_for_life

id like to add to last thread to all race fans there are a times and places to race especially for someone of young age like myself and times and places to be stupid. The two should never go together. I have a friend who owns a subaru and last time he thought he could drift his car, he landed in a ditch. The best idea for everyone is find a legal place to race and learn more about your car as you race it. If you don't be careful nowyou might just end your driving abilities forever. (I know another race fan who now drives auto cars do to a moto accident, no ability to use right arm). Anyway just don't be stupid be glad to have the 8 and learn how to use it first, before looking for major upgrades.

Also hasn't anyone ever heard of investing money. Man all kinda kids with like thousands of dollars and all they wanna do is blow it don't they realize how much they could be making...

Shadowhawk

Samuri (and all others younger than 27 or so), the morality of racing aside, I agree with Noob. Racing is fun, but be careful. I'm only 24, and yes, I do my share of racing in my car, on and off the street. Admittedly, much more 'on' then 'off.' And, just as admittedly, I have done stupid things in the process. Racing, itself, arguably being one of those. It's been LUCK, for the most part, that I've not caused any accidents or been the victim of my own stupidity. Will I stop? Probably not for a while, just because caution takes a back seat when the sun is out and I have a craving for a rush. But, still, take warnings like this to heart, MOST of us aren't trying to bust your chops for wanting to drive your car the way you want to drive it. That's why you bought it, right? I know that's why I'm going to buy my 8, eventually. Just know the risks and consiquences, and don't get mad at people who are, for better or worse, looking out for not only your own well being, but possibly their own if they ever are near you when you're driving. ...not to mention their insurance bills for young drivers that do stupid stuff and jack up the rates for everyone, but that's beside the point...

That aside, listen to the advice people are giving you, too, about the question you originally asked. You wanted to know if "Product (A)" would give you better performance. No, it won't, it's a hoax, but the others in this forum have all offered alternatives. The best one; experience. Don't take that as a personal knock, but instead as a matter of fact; You are young and not as experienced a driver as some of the rest here. Neither am I. Something many 'kids' (whether younger or older than you, 'kid' is a state of mind as much as body) in their japped-out, hand-me-down Civics don't realize is that it's not always what's under the hood that matters. I drive a bone-stock '94 Saturn 4-door right now, and yet I can blast by cars that are quite a bit better, performance-wise, than mine is. I could probably even give an inexperienced driver a run for their money in a shiny-new RX-8 using my Saturn, though I might not win in the end. Why can I say this? Because I've taken the time to master what I have at my disposal, before running off to buy all kinds of swag to make my car faster than I can control. Bottom line, if you want a performance upgrade that will be worth every penny of your investment, today or a year from now, then drop some cash into upgrading the weakest link in the chain. The driver. Period. No matter how fast the car is, or how well it handles, the car can't be its best without a driver that can control it. Book some time at a track, where the environment is very strictly controlled, and let people who know WAY MORE THAN YOU DO about driving teach you how to get the best out of what you have. You can teach yourself, eventually, but there is NO substitute for an experienced and skilled teacher. If you learn to drive your car, the way it is right now, and learn to drive it as good as YOU possibly can, THEN you can start adding performance goodies here and there to make THE CAR better. A good driver in a slightly slower car can, more often than not, beat a novice driver in a slightly faster car. And that's a verifiable fact. Swallow your pride, like I did, go take a professional driver's training course or three, learn how to handle what you have, and then start looking at mods later, once you're a bit more seasoned. You will absolutely not regret it. And now, give me a minute to climb down off of my soap-box of hypocracy...

AvatarQAZ

Well said Shadowhawk. I feel the need to reiterate... sorry . Your back roads, albeit as controlled an environment as you can get, are not safe. Hell, a track isnt safe. But at the track are experienced drivers that will reduce the risk of damage through their experience and expertise.

Much like you came to this forum to gain our wisdom and ask our thoughts, now you are ready to move onto the next mountain. Find a local raceway that has days open to the public. Go there. Surely, there will be a fee (around 150-250 I am going to guess) to get some track time. But it is money that is well worth it. The instructor will SHOW you what your car can do. That in itself, is a true rush. Once you gain the feel of your car's limits through the instructor, do not... i repeat, do not try to emulate him. Knock it down a knotch and get familiar with that level of driving.

I promise you this, after you spend $1k in lessons at a track with a professional, it will seem as though everyone on the road has no real clue how to do anything but hit the: brake, gas, clutch, and flip people off. On top of that, you will enjoy your car that much more because of its real potential and you will be more mature when you realize that even though you may be experimenting on your own roads by yourself, away from anyone... that there are still people with you. Mom, Dad, Brother, Sister... think of them before you start to take a chance when you are not at least 99% sure of what the result is.